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I found this chart on reddit some time ago, I thought to repost it here as well
Needs a column for "makes you feel like you are Being John Malkoviching as you linger behind your own eyes and watch another version of yourself interact with the world while being confused about who is actually controlling your vessel", and put Bupropion at a 12.
That... explains a lot about a few months of my life
That shit is trippy as fuck to me, and not in a good way. More of a Twilight Zone sorta way.
I took Bupropion exactly once, and that day happened to coincide with the day of a first date. There was not a second date. I'd say something to her, but it wasn't me, it was the "me" who was standing about three feet in front of me. I swear to Cotton Eyed Joe I could see the back of my own fucking head.
I didn't get it nearly that acutely, but I made several stereotypical "crazy person sketches" of my view through my glasses with all the visible objects being written words instead of objects, trying to convey how lifeless and disconnected I felt from my own sensory input
a few years later I learned that's called "dissociation" and it's not supposed to happen 🫠
If y'all have had really bad side-effects look into pharmacogenomic testing, it can help rule out bad medicines before you try them
I had one done a while ago and it marked a ton of medicines that I had already tried, (and had bad effects from) and a bunch I hadn't tried yet. Since then, I've had much fewer bad experiences
notes
the one I did had a specific brand name but I don't remember what it was. (It was a while ago) I'm pretty sure this is what it was though
you might have to remind your doctor about it when they're prescribing medications, this still isn't very well known afaik
this isn't sponsored/paid/other bullshit, this is an actual recommendation (though I felt like one of those 'ask your doctor if !@#$ is right for you' american commercials the entire time writing it)
I also had testing for psychiatric medication-gene interaction, and can recommend it as worth it (and am in the US)
Man, I wish we had these charts for all classes of medicines.
So... If you wanted to reduce population growth, you would make everyone depressed?
Seems like its working.
Can confirm, bupropion causes insomnia.
I sometimes have to take nighttime benadryl to help me sleep.
Been on it consistently for over a decade now and have always been funky with sleep. I started back in undergrad when the pressure of life left me spiralling out of control, and have since always thought I was just a weird sleeper.
I have insomnia semi often, usually anxiety-induced, but I've never thought that it could be the bupropion directly.
Very curious, and good to know.
Seems to be missing the entire MAOI class (moclobemide, selegiline, phenelzine, tranylcypromine, isocarboxazid), and most tricyclics (clomipramine, imipramine, nortriptyline)
Had a doctor tell me I should never feel the antidepressant. Should be a background thing. Thought that was good advice.
Setraline leveled me the fuck out.
It's kinda funny how much medicines' effects can vary from person to person, I tried sertraline and had absolutely no difference, whereas my mother and my sister take it and it works for them
May I ask, what do you mean it leveled you out?
Is this chart actually used in prescribing patients? I find that concerning. I have abnormal metabolism on several of my CYP enzymes, plus I have other medications that are ligands of them as well.
For instance, there are people who have multiple gene copies of rapid metabolizing enzymes. They may not get any side effects, but may also not get any benefit.
An intermediate metabolizer may get a better response at lower doses and not have to worry about side effects at all.
Compared with someone who has two inactive copies of the primary metabolic enzyme, they may end up with significant side effects and no benefit at low doses.
The only way to know your metabolism is genetic testing. (Which they have studies for, and some insurances cover).
An off label use for Trazadone is as a sleep aid. At doses under 150 mg it doesn't really work as an antidepressant but will make you drowsy. I've been prescribed it before as the first step before Ambien
I thought it's use as an antidepressant was completely discontinued because of that.
Tried a bunch of them, none really worked except for Venlafaxine. Had sexual dysfunktion which was an unacceptable side effect for me so I also quit them. This sucks.
I'm on Venlafaxine and the sexual dysfunction side effect does subside over time (months), at least that was my experience.
Had the same side effect with Citalopram, Sertraline and one or two others I tried, but I can't remember. Basically that was the only effect I noticed until I tried Venlafaxine. All this happened in about 9 months because antidepressants usually need some time to properly get in/out the system. So maybe I'm just very sensitive in that regard.
Venlafaxine almost killed me which is fun :^)
Hey twinsies!
Yeah Mirtazapine fucked me up in the weight department
Same here. Soon as I stopped, the weight stopped!
Now I know y I dont have that much of a Craving for Sex anymore. Thought I just got old.
Antidepressants get such a bad rep, they're truly amazing
So I have never had depression but I am aware that Sertraline is probably the most common. Is there some higher rate of effectiveness it has over the less alternatives with less side effects? Is it just that it's cheaper?
The issue with mental health and medications is that different root causes can create different symptoms in different people, and different medications have different effects in different people. The understanding of what those root causes even are is very limited, let alone trying to figure out what the root causes are in a specific person.
We know that certain medications have certain effects on symptoms, generally speaking, but identifying which one, at which dose, suits that specific person with a collection of reported symptoms that look like depression or anxiety or whatever, often in combination, is trial and error.
Of course, in the US, where healthcare is "fuck you, I got mine," cost does also play a role. Shouldn't, but does. Another thing to take into account is what other medications you're taking, and whether they interact poorly with one another.
Sertraline is the generic for Zoloft, and it's been FDA-approved since 1991. That's a good long time, and if you're going to prescribe an SSRI, it makes sense to give more weight to something that has a long history, for the sake of both effectiveness and side effects.
There's some conventional thinking that it's slightly more "activating" and has fewer side effects than the other cheap SRIs, escitalopram being still under patent.
Research, and more anecdotal than I can count, including a number of my own, shows psilicybin (I use ground magic mushrooms) at slightly-less-than ‘feel high’ doses 4 days a week (aka micro or threshold dose) equals, or surpasses efficacy of any of that list.
No side effects.
Shit works, and you don’t have to “get high” and lose your moral compass, etc.
If you abuse psilicybin, it just stops working. You really can’t get addicted to it at all. Also there is NO ‘lethal dose’. You can’t die from it.
Fuck Rx!
In general I feel the same about an occasional dose of ketamine. Any time I feel a general malaise, ketamine blasts all the cobwebs out and gives me a new lease of life for quite a long time.
I would but it's illegal here and in the same category as heroin or coke for some idiotic reason.
Fuuuck. I literally just ordered 28g of mushrooms I’ll dose into 300mg capsules.
i take agomelatine and have tried SSRIs and i will never go back after agomelatine.