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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pink triangle was reclaimed though. So IMO pink triangle with a cancel sign over it shouldn't be seen as nazi-level homophobia, just regular homophobia for Trump. Admittedly, Trump's a nazi, so...

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I’m sorry, so you’re saying that using the hard R is fine because black people reclaimed the word?

Or would that be different?

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

love this guy. I always upvote nathan fillion.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You love him because he's Canadian all us good ones are. Except that Wayne Gretzky guy. Fuck him lol

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 hours ago

Oh! I didn't know he was Canadian. Now I love him even -- well, tbh, exactly the same. But I hate Gretzky even more because he's Canadian that's for sure.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

That is certainly different. Trump's not black. In contrast, "queer," pink triangle, and other reclaimed homophobic slurs are encouraged for general use. Try another slur instead as a counterargument please.

As an illustration of what I mean -- IMO it'd be much worse if he said "no fags" or something like that.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I’m not going to sit here and type out slurs. The long and the short of it is that just because something has been reclaimed, doesn’t mean it is always benign. Context is king.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Well yeah, this is obviously not benign. I don't want him saying "no queer people" even dressed up in the most polite language.

Edit: I would honestly be happier if he said it in the most abrasive, nazi, slur-riddled way possible and tore the mask off. Incrementalism is what he hides behind.

[–] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 97 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Show of hands anyone who truly expected differently from this miserable attempt at an administration or from the current occupant(s) of the oval office.

🤦‍♀️ 🙄

[–] upandup@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago

I’m not a brain-rotted idiot, so, obviously, yes.

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Please excuse me while I go bury my hand.

[–] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You would think the GOP and right wing in the U.S. would have put the main culture war issue behind us after Barack Obama and the Roberts Supreme Court told them it's all good now... But here we are...

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

Sometimes I wonder if this dude is an actual nazi or just a delusional wacko steeped in nazi ideology...

(jk they're the same thing)

[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 44 points 2 days ago (4 children)
[–] Zak@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

He was. Not for that. Didn't stick.

[–] upandup@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago

Far too kind.

[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago

It would just be another photo op for merch and the White House Wall of Fame.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Somebody should propose something effective and realistic.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Have at it.

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's gotta be uncomfortable being a journalist on Truth Social who only has an account there specifically so they can capture screenshots of Trump's latest dogwhistle post to publish in articles.

And doesn't Truth Social require users to upload photos of their drivers licenses in order to sign up? Or am I thinking of Parler?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I dunno if that photo id requirement is TS or Parler, but I do know that ironically enough Truth Social is a self non-federated Mastodon instance.

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

TIL. Ew. Thanks, I hate it.

I guess that's part of the definition of Open Source, though. "No discrimination against fields of endeavor."

[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I think that should stop at Nazis. Like how the seeming paradox of how to have a tollerant society is that you cannot tolerate the intollerant.

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

My conception of the Open Source movement is that it was basically forked off of the Free Software Movement by a bunch of Libertarians (as in United States Libertarian Party with a capital "L", not anarchism). (Eric Raymond has never been shy about going on about how the free market is the solution to every problem anyone has ever had. And Bruce Parens is the one who has been doing the whole "Post-Open Source" thing that has a bunch of rules about adding more capitalism to Open Source.)

And on that basis, it feels to me like the Open Source movement isn't really the most likely to sympathize with anti-fascist sentiments.

The FSF, doesn't strike me as that much more likely to care.

But, maybe Bradley Kuhn and the SFC (and FSFE) might be more inclined to be on board with that idea?

The result couldn't really be called "Open Source" or "Free Software" (or "F(L)OSS".) And I kindof doubt any of the organizations involved with the two movements would stick their necks out so far as to certify a license that was like "AGPLv3, except Nazis can fuck off".

So, maybe a new term is needed. I propose "Hate-Free Software". As a purposeful play on "Free Software" that makes it pretty clear it's "Free Software" except for Nazis.

All that said, to make any of this work, there'd have to be a license that did the necessary magic legalese to convince courts to enforce it in the way that's going to accomplish the goals of the whole movement.

I think I vaguely remember hearing about some almost-FOSS project out there somewhere that used some GPL-based license except with an added restriction that said "except this specific company gets nothing". IIRC, that provision was legally dicey as to whether it could/would actually be enforced. But I guess that approach might be a place to start researching at least.

However the legalese worked, you know the Nazis would push its boundaries. Like, if the license specifically said "except hate groups", the Nazis would use the courts to push the agenda that anti-genocide activists are antisemitic.

Theoretically one could make it a non-open license in the sense that the copyright owners individually hand-pick who gets to have the permissive license terms and who can fuck right off, but I probably wouldn't want to go to the trouble to seek a license to use any software like that for fear they'd yoink my license rights away without notice.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I don't necessarily disagree with the concept, but the execution isn't going to be easy.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

My head canon has the 'Greatest Generation' rising up from their graves ghost-like to attack the White House like a scene out of Peter Jackson's 'The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King' movie.

'The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King'

(Assuming the Nazi claim is true and Trump wasn't just being his normal clueless self.)

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[–] diverging@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

FYI, I was talking about Allied citizens who fought in World War II, not Nazis.

I do understand that you were talking about Nazi citizens, in relation to your LGBTQ comment.

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[–] diverging@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was also talking about the Allies. The Allies kept homosexuals in prison when the camps were otherwise freed. The Allies kept the law banning homosexuality, while removing all the nazi era laws.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Never understood people of today trying to judge other people from yesterday's gone by to the same morals standard that they have today.

Humanity evolves forward, societies change from the past to the present and into the future.

There was a lot of wrongs that societies of that day were doing, not only to homosexuals, but to people of different skin colors as well. But say what you will about it, we're all here today to argue about it because they stepped up and did the thing that none of us has had to do, fighting a global war where everything they know might go away and be replaced with evil.

For that, we owe them a level of respect, and to judge them through a lens of time.

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[–] diverging@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then maybe leave them in the past. Don't wish for them to rise up out of their graves and fight your foes.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Then maybe leave them in the past.

You should never forget your heroes.

EDIT: And when someone says something like this about them...

I suspect that this undead army would be happy with Trump’s attack against the LGBTQ

..., they need to be defended.

Not everything is as black and white, 0% or 100%, nothing in between, as those with an agenda would want you to believe it is.

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 6 points 2 days ago

Sodomy was illegal in most of the allied countries as well, not just Nazi Germany.

[–] nomugisan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

I think his actions speak far louder than symbols in articles he links.

[–] upandup@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

I’m sure it’s not the first, and absolutely positive, that it isn’t the last time

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