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Why does it feel that the evil sides globally are winning. Even evil people are winning. Why?

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[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Unpopular opinion, but in the west particularly, folk have mistaken writing on the internet for action.

Tweeting resistance rather than performing it.

A lapse into inaction framed as radical rest and self care.

Online they are fierce warriors of justice, offline they go to work in Starbucks, use their apple devices to talk to their families and enjoy the treadmill of streaming services.

And this isn't to blame them. This is the point of consumerist capitalism. To trap you in a gilded cage.

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Well observed. People pour a lot of energy into political actions. The question is what that energy gets used on.

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

This is why I've stopped reading much of the content I had been reading before. Unless an article is about what someone is doing to stop what is happening, what is the point in reading it? I don't care so much about the bad, rather in how the rest of us are preventing it.

For all the people complaining, I haven't seen many talking about what steps they are taking to change the momentum. I get why I've may not want to announce what protests they are attending, but I haven't noticed much new talk about mutual aid or volunteering efforts. I know the recent political climate globally is motivating me to be involved in both.

I'm waiting to hear back in a volunteer position helping local wildlife, and once I get that schedule worked out, I've already started looking into local food aid opportunities as well.

If our society is leaving gaps unfilled, as you said, it's up to us to fill them ourselves before we all fall through.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That would make sense except when you realize this is new media and is exactly how the right is warping minds. Elon didn't buy Twitter because he was bored. We cannot concede all social media to the right and until there is a platform that can't be bought the people won't ever have a voice.

[–] ofcourse@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago
  1. Rampant unchecked capitalism of recent decades has created large wealth disparities akin to the earlier decades of the last century. It is no longer possible for one person in a household with a regular job to support a modest lifestyle for their family. All benefits especially medical for the whole family, being completely intertwined with the current job reduces mobility and further feeds into the wealth gap by keeping wages low. It’s easier to blame the powerless for this state of affairs than the powerful because the powerless cannot object.
  2. The fear of the other has been accentuated by media and misinformation. Targeted algorithms feeding most of the information that is consumed has created echo chambers that reinforce existing beliefs and fears. The propaganda state has never had it easier.
  3. The large military and police has given never before control to the state about what is allowed to be protested. Combined with the day to day struggles, it’s extremely hard to come together for what is right. The ruling class is able to maintain the fine balance between absolute misery and general dissatisfaction that it is still better to struggle through a thankless job than to say fuck it. Failures of recent large uprisings like Middle East and Hong Kong have reinforced the futility of standing up against the rulers.
  4. Evil has many heads and there’s always one head that you can find alignment with. It could be the deregulation of businesses, lower taxes, anti abortion, racism, but as long as there’s one thing you can align on, the general sense of powerlessness makes it easier to overlook the other heads.
  5. The line between evil and good has never been murkier, especially with globalization. If you focus on the betterment of your community, it would be considered good, but what if it leads to suffering of others outside the community. Is it also evil? What is community - is it the people in your neighborhood, your religion, your country, fellow business owners? The fuzzier these lines are, the harder it is to untangle them.
[–] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 2 points 1 week ago

I think the issue in America, is that the Constitution only addressed political power, but failed to account for fiscal strength. Money is inherently a thing that manipulates the fates of individuals, companies, and nations alike. By not setting down rules, limitations, and expectations regarding economics, the Founding Fathers allowed a key form of power go unaddressed.

The vast majority of Project 2025's major backers are wealthy people, who have far beyond what any normal person can ever hope to possess. This imbalance means that workers have to sacrifice much time, money, and energy to be barely heard on a single issue, while a rich person can just hire experts to massage every aspect of their many messages and to deliver it everywhere with a mighty voice.

IMO, we will need a Constitution v2.0 that fixes not only assorted political flaws like the voting system, but also prevents wealth from being a microphone that only a few can afford.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Class solidarity among the rich. Rich people want willing servants. They want people to fear disobeying them.

People are scared and angry and want action without thinking about the long-term gains only the short term. Creating fear is fascism 101 and how many rise to power

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The common version of the phrase...

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”

The actual version of the phrase...

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Have you ever cheated at a game, cut corners on work or purposefully did something unfair to get better from it yourself?

Yeah it's much easier to win without any pesky ethics or a strong moral compass.

Good folks have been struggling uphill since the Ancient Greeks as long as there are folks trying to win with a different rule book.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The internet. It led to the following:

  • Good social change occurred very rapidly from the 1990s-2010s, causing highly motivated pushback from those who didn't like the changes
  • Rising wealth inequality caused by tech billionaires increased incentives and capability for a small number of extremely wealthy people to seize control of media and political power centers
  • Foreign dictator governments became more able to more easily spread pro-dictator propaganda
  • Media became more decentralized, leading to some good things but also the hijacking of our psychology to spread fear and disgust for the sake of grabbing attention
[–] CompleteUnknown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All that is required for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

[–] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Evil is willing to lie, cheat, steal, and kill to win. As long as good keeps fighting with one hand tied behind its back, evil will keep gaining ground.

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My opinion on this generally boils down to that the system has been set up to reward evil/antisocial behavior, and this part of the system is so entrenched and well established and organized that it has not been effectively and completely toppled or eradicated in so long, it has been able to consolidate power and resources to a point where very few extremely evil people are personally in charge of so much of what happens that it seeps into everything. Actually "seeps" is the wrong word, it's injected into everything. It's like has been said many times in recent memory, the cruelty is the point.

For a simplified example, evil executives reward evil behavior by their managers, who in turn punish their employees, who lose control of so much of their lives to these companies and managers that they end up hurting their families and friends out of confusion and anger and other complex emotional reactions, and harm is perpetuated in every area of life.

It's self sustaining, and even worse it replicates itself. In some ways I think of these systems as viruses. Also as cults. We all buy in to some degree.

[–] gon@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I saw on Mastodon someone say something kinda like this: good people don't feel the need to dominate others.

Evil isn't "winning" as much as it is "on top." If you look around, talk to your neighbours and such, you'll see that good and reasonable people are everywhere; good is the overwhelming majority.

That being said, positions of power are chased and coveted by those obsessed with power, and those aren't good people. Good people need to take charge, but it's


in a way


against their nature to do so.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

good is the overwhelming majority.

Let the overwhelming centrist majority in 1930's Germany tell you otherwise. People who peacefully ignore evil, even if it's preserve their own safety, are not good at heart. People just don't want trouble or disturbance, that's why people are naturally kind from day to day. But ignoring the piles of bodies while saying "no politics at the dinner table" is literally how the holocaust happened - the majority failed to act.

1930's Germany at least had the excuse of limited information/education, all they had was radio from which only Hitler's voice was present. 100 years later with the worlds knowledge at our fingertips, ignorance to politics is a choice. Might I say an evil one, all things considered.

[–] gon@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's not a very generous interpretation of people... Though I can't exactly contradict you.

I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice [...]

-MLK Jr. in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've been lied to, gaslit, and blamed by my self-proclaimed "centrist" family my whole life, been called alarmist my whole life when i've been pointing at these very same things coming from a mile away. There are tons of others that did the same, at least alt-right MAGA freaks give you the time of day to argue. Centrists though? They're the first to say they "dont really care much about politics" yet hold their heads high with masturbatory egotism and confidently proclaim "both sides are wrong, I disagree with extremists of any kind." They're betting their childrens lives and future on their own malicious ignorance, like that joke with the priest who denies life saving medication because "Don't worry, God will take care of me," but replace God with the Markets and you have the modern day peasant that'll rat you out to soldiers for "heresy" and have you hung, disembowled, or burned at the stake. A person of self-interest is not a person of reason.

[–] gon@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Centrist" is often a word for unscrupulous fence-sitter... It's a shame you've experienced that. I despise self-proclaimed centrists as much as the next guy.

Do you think they are the majority, though? Maybe it's my echo-chambers, but that doesn't feel like it's the case. I'm not American, mind you.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Pretty much my entire family fit under this category, plus at least 75% of the people i've met in my entire life, including schoolmates and work colleagues. Of the 25% that are barely conscious, 80% of them are (somehow and unfortunately) MAGA while 20% have moved into a tiny home or cabin somewhere to grow their own food. The MAGA crowd are at least looking around going "wtf, workers need to seize the means of production" meanwhile the centrist liberals are the ones going "things would've been better with Hillary or Kamala."

[–] gon@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

MAGA, those voting for a privatizing fascist cutting taxes for the rich working with the richest people in the world to further the goals of the owner-class, are looking around going "wtf, workers need to seize the means of production?" Are you sure?

I can't tell if you're joking...

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, those MAGA. The ones you typically see on youtube videos or twitter aren't your average MAGA supporter, if you actually talk to one and ask them what they want, they start going off on things that even the most far-left Star Trek commie eutopianist could agree with, only to right at the end blame "the libtards!" or "DEI" or "immigrants" etc. They're uneducated, they're seeing things aren't good and rightfully so, but they're tricked into scapegoating before coming to the right conclusions.

Centrists? They say "You shouldn't pay attention to these things."

[–] gon@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

if you actually talk to one and ask them what they want

Doubt I'll ever get the opportunity, but I'll take it if it presents itself.

They’re uneducated, they’re seeing things aren’t good and rightfully so, but they’re tricked into scapegoating before coming to the right conclusions.

Fuck...

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Doubt I’ll ever get the opportunity, but I’ll take it if it presents itself.

If you do, don't push. Instead, pull. Ask them questions, ask them "What do you want at the end of the day?" "To get the illegals out!" "Yeah but why? What is that a step towards?" Fact checking doesn't work, lecturing doesn't work, understand that they know no better than you know better than them. At least then there's a fighting chance of having a conversation, seeing eachother as on the same side, and agreeing on who the real enemies are.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Why does it feel like evil is winning globally?

Propaganda works.

We are now innundated with it. And the answer is not "anti-propaganda" although sometimes that helps a little.

The answer is everyone needs to learn how media works; How words and images and sounds form the world.

And to do that requires the help of media corporations.

[–] match@pawb.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

when evil is winning on your nation's scale it feels like it's winning globally. is evil winning in rojava? in southeast asia? is evil winning in the spanish speaking world?

for that matter, what's going on at your state level, or at your city level?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

My state is winning. So far the new federal administration hasn’t disrupted us much: we look so much better as the other side of the comparison worsens. We’re a big part of the fight for humanity, and new regional transit based zoning is already showing increased housing starts

[–] ScientifficDoggo@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because good doesn't have the stomach to go blow for blow with evil anymore.

[–] Punchshark@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Gotta sink to their level!

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[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

first i would say it "feels" that way because you're consuming all the media that's telling you that. everyone should moderate the media they consume to help their mental health while at the same time keeping informed.

the big structural issue is that countries are having trouble cooperating internationally to manage corporations and now individuals. the main mechanism for this is (again) media - both old and new social media.

we need democratically elected politicians to create rules for media to correct lies and protect democracy. also democracy itself needs further protection by controlling funding to political parties and during elections. all this will take time but is happening as we speak.

the future looks bright

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[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Capitalism is dying because of unchecked greed and people are turning to socialism. The wealthy choose fascism. Until we have class unity. Once we bring out the guillotines, They will retreat to spending the rest of their lives in the bunkers they have built with their stolen wealth.

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[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because westerners are obsessed with good vs. Evil for absolutely no reason.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I agree. There's a popular, mostly liberal social media mindset that sees a binary world of Good Guys vs Bad Guys, and demands a no-compromise, Zero Tolerance approach to every issue. To me it's a strange moral hardline, reminiscent of how conservatives have always seen anything that looks to them like socialism.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because too many good people are doing nothing.

[–] EcoByte@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't know what to do...

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Find some people doing good things near you, and ask if you can help

[–] EcoByte@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I will try to find, don't know if I will be successful

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