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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 2 points 1 hour ago
[–] corbin@awful.systems 11 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Hacker News is truly a study in masculinity. This brave poster is willing to stand up and ask whether Bluey harms men by making them feel emotions. Credit to the top replies for simply linking him to WP's article on catharsis.

I "ugly cried" (I prefer the term "beautiful cried") at the last episode of Sailor Moon and it was such an emotional high that I've been chasing it ever since.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 7 points 13 hours ago

But Star Trek says the smartest guys in the room don't have emotions

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 11 points 15 hours ago

men will literally debate children’s tv instead of going to therapy

[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

ICYI here's me getting a bit ranty about generative ai products https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5MQb-uNf2U

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

With that voice? Rant all you like!

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago

The Columbia Journalism Review does a study and finds the following:

  • Chatbots were generally bad at declining to answer questions they couldn’t answer accurately, offering incorrect or speculative answers instead.
  • Premium chatbots provided more confidently incorrect answers than their free counterparts.
  • Multiple chatbots seemed to bypass Robot Exclusion Protocol preferences.
  • Generative search tools fabricated links and cited syndicated and copied versions of articles.
  • Content licensing deals with news sources provided no guarantee of accurate citation in chatbot responses.
[–] dgerard@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] self@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

this article will most likely be how I (hopefully very rarely) start off conversations about rationalism in real life should the need once again arise (and somehow it keeps arising, thanks 2025)

but also, hoo boy what a painful talk page

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it's not actually any more painful than any wikipedia talk page, it's surprisingly okay for the genre really

remember: wikipedia rules exist to keep people like this from each others' throats, no other reason

[–] self@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

that’s fair, and I can’t argue with the final output

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

wikipedia articles: hey this is pretty good!
wikipedia talk pages: what is wrong with you people

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

wikipedia talk pages: what is wrong with you people

Sorry this remark is a WP:NAS, WP:SDHJS, WP:NNNNNNANNNANNAA and WP:ASDF violation.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 17 hours ago

no WP:NaNaNaNaNaNaNaBATMAN?

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

the btb zizians series has started

surprisingly it's only 4 episodes

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

On one hand: all of this stuff entering greater public awareness is vindicating, i.e. I knew about all this shit before so many others, I’m so cool

On the other hand: I want to stop being right about everything please, please just let things not become predictably worse

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I maintain that our militia ought to be called the Cassandra Division

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

Even just The Cassandras would work well (that way all the weird fucks who are shitty about gender would hate the name even more)

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

David Gborie! One of my fave podcasters and podcast guests. Adding this to the playlist

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

was discussing a miserable AI related gig job I tried out with my therapist. doomerism came up, I was forced to explain rationalism to him. I would prefer that all topics I have ever talked to any of you about be irrelevant to my therapy sessions

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Regrettably I think that the awarereness of these things is inherently the kind of thing that makes you need therapy, so...

Sweet mother of Roko it's an infohazard!

I never really realized that before.

[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Tech stonks continuing to crater 🫧 🫧 🫧

I'm sorry for your 401Ks, but I'd pay any price to watch these fuckers lose.

spoiler(mods let me know if this aint it)

[–] self@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago

(mods let me know if this aint it)

the only things that ain’t it are my chances of retiring comfortably, but I always knew that’d be the case

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

it's gonna be a massive disaster across the wider economy, and - and this is key - absolutely everyone saw this coming a year ago if not two

[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago

In b4 there's a 100k word essay on LW about how intentionally crashing the economy will dry up VC investment in "frontier AGI labs" and thus will give the 🐀s more time to solve "alignment" and save us all from big 🐍 mommy. Therefore, MAGA harming every human alive is in fact the most effective altruism of all! Thank you Musky, I just couldn't understand your 10,000 IQ play.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This kind of stuff, which seems to hit a lot harder than the anti trump stuff, makes me feel that a vance presidency would implode quite quickly due to other maga toadies trying to backstab toadkid here.

[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know longer remember what this man actually looks like

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 4 points 20 hours ago

I still can never tell when Charlie Kirk's face has been photoshopped to be smaller and when not.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

...why do I get the feeling the AI bubble just popped

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

For me it feels like this is pre ai/cryptocurrency bubble pop. But with luck (as the maga gov infusions of both fail, and actually quicken the downfall (Musk/Trump like it so it must be iffy), if we are lucky). Sadly it will not be like the downfall of enron, as this is all very distributed, so I fear how much will be pulled under).

[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Mr. President, this is simply too much winning, I cannot stand the winning anymore 😭

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've been beating this dead horse for a while (since July of last year AFAIK), but its clear to me that the AI bubble's done horrendous damage to the public image of artificial intelligence as a whole.

Right now, using AI at all (or even claiming to use it) will earn you immediate backlash/ridicule under most circumstances, and AI as a concept is viewed with mockery at best and hostility at worst - a trend I expect that'll last for a good while after the bubble pops.

To beat a slightly younger dead horse, I also anticipate AI as a concept will die thanks to this bubble, with its utterly toxic optics as a major reason why. With relentless slop, nonstop hallucinations and miscellaneous humiliation (re)defining how the public views and conceptualises AI, I expect any future AI systems will be viewed as pale imitations of human intelligence, theft-machines powered by theft, or a combination of the two.

[–] self@awful.systems 11 points 1 day ago

Right now, using AI at all (or even claiming to use it) will earn you immediate backlash/ridicule under most circumstances, and AI as a concept is viewed with mockery at best and hostility at worst

it’s fucking wild how PMs react to this kind of thing; the general consensus seems to be that the users are wrong, and that surely whichever awful feature they’re working on will “break through all that hostility” — if the user’s forced (via the darkest patterns imaginable) to use the feature said PM’s trying to boost their metrics for

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