Exaggerating?
Why don't we try lying, bait and switch. Perhaps criminal investigation for consumer fraud?
this post was submitted on 28 Jul 2023
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Tell me the world isn't a better place if elon is sent to work in a lithium mine for the next decade
This is pretty much my reaction to every corporate deception that I read these days:
Isn’t this something for the FTC to prosecute? And then after that, class-action lawsuits?
When Apple got caught extending battery life on old iPhones without user knowledge, there were lawsuits announced by the end of the day. What about Tesla?
So vindicated about all the arguments I've had with friends about Tesla's range not being as long as what we were led to believe.
I mean, I don't have those friends anymore, but still!
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
I'm actually within about 5% +- on my Model S Plaid depending on the time of year and that's hardly driving conservatively (maybe luck?). Oddly enough, my Model S has been more efficient than my Model 3 LR was, which I know makes no sense. But pretty much across the board for all the same drives, I use less kWh, it boggles my mind.
This is based on data from Tessie.
All that said, I realize the article says other manufacturers have more accurate fuel economies. I'm sorry, but no, my friend's leaf is absolutely wrong by an extremely large margin, especially in winter, and has been since day one. It's not even close.
I've tested in my own model 3 and the range and kwh usage is actually pretty accurate as advertised assuming you accelerate slowly, drive the speed limit, and don't run the heat, and don't have a strong headwind. Many people, including myself, absolutely do not drive like that, so the range will be less.
It seems like it's an issue with manufacturing consistency/quality. The report said some cars were getting literally half their advertised range on daily commutes. That's not an amount that could be accounted for by driving styles.
The original Reuters report linked below: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Wait, so you can't use the air? You know, one of the major comfort features in a car? What a ripoff.
Running the heat can be energy draining because you don't have a hot engine to draw air from. Using the heated seats is much more efficient but of course less comfortable in cold weather.
Oh 'Run the heat' means using the heater! I was so confused. I thought this was referring to driving fast or running from the cops or something.
You can use the AC is fine and you get pretty close to the rated mileage, but the heated air is a bigger drain.
Newer models come with a heat pump now, so running the heat should be just as efficient as running the AC.
Yeah it's all about ideal conditions, and same for ICE as the other reply said. Even external temperature matters for EVs too, if it's too cold the battery won't perform as well.
This is honestly true for the ICE estimates as well. It’s just that people have a lot more range anxiety when they can’t find a refueling spot every other street corner.
Not that I’m condoning it. And not that they’ve always gotten away with it. They need to be held accountable to come up with reasonable range expectations.
But also ICE are so inefficient that a small percentage change doesn't affect them so much because you're wasting 80% of the energy anyway so you load up megawatts hour of power when you refuel. On BEVs losing 4kw of power for heating or other stuff means a lot because you waste only around 5% of the energy, so adding 1 or 2 or 3% of other losses will impact the small energy storage you have.
lol whats new
and autopilot safety
[BRAND] exaggerating any kind of EV range.
Every auto manufacture exaggerates range, whether it’s battery or MPG.
Isn't MPG (in the US) estimated by the EPA?
The MPGe Tesla advertised also is. Then they use that to correspond to % remaining battery.
All EVs get wildly different range depending on outdoor temps (I get 30% lower range in winter) and their hysteresis is way higher than an ICE car. But, their range numbers are accurate for when they are measured under ideal circumstances.
I regularly do better than rated range. Others have a heavy foot and do worse. Kinda par for the course.
Color me absolutely not shocked. Corporations are always going to lie. I don't trust a word they say.