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MS new captcha: Why did it have to be that hard!?!? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 week ago by HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

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This is not my pic because I forgot to screenshot it when I did it. Microsoft has the hardest captcha I have ever had to complete. This one looks easier but I had a similar one that on my phone the images were too small, not recognizable and were more abstract looking shapes. It was so hard, I failed like 8 times (there were several 'rounds') and it almost made me second guess whether I might actually be a robot lol. Luckily, there was an audio version where you have to pick from a number of melody recordings and choose the one that was a pattern. Anyone else have trouble with this?

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[–] Makeshift@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

I forget where I heard that these are actually used to help train AI, but I don’t doubt they are somehow.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I liked the captcha for the PlayStation forums (hard math problems)

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Are...are the hackers actually deterred by these...things? Are they not accessing the data in some other way?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

it's not meant to deter hackers, but spam bots and web cralwers, and such like. Possibly also meant to stop people hitting the service as a way of breaking the service.

but mostly they want to know the person looking at it is a human so they can feed it advertisements.

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 days ago

worse than Roblox?

[–] m_f@midwest.social 84 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Pretty sure any decent model could easily solve that anyways. To borrow a quote about bears from the National Park Service, there's now significant overlap between your dumbest users and the smartest AI.

[–] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I am usually good at puzzles but this was hard to see on my phone. The pictures were much smaller in my version compared to the image. It wasn't an intelligence issue, it was a vision issue. Yet, many sites still just use a check box even the bank I work for does. Bigger companies than MS use a checkbox.

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[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 1 week ago (11 children)

try this one: https://iqcaptcha.us.to/

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wouldn’t it be 79x + 22 ? But they don’t give you a value to use for x. Wtf

[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

no, you need to derivate the f(x) function twice because the last line asks for f"(x). you do that by taking down the exponent in front of each power of the polynomial and decreasing the power by one each time you derivate.

So for the 13x³: derived once it becomes 3 times 13 x², which equals 39x². Derived a second time, it is 2 times 39x, so 78x.

The 11x² becomes 2 times 11x, and then just 22 (times x power zero). the rest disappears after two derivatives.

The x is given when finding the correct pattern that matches the missing symbol in the first part of the problem, being the dot, so 52. I explained how you find this in a comment somewhere up here :)

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure 78x + 22 is f double prime of x. So f’’(x) + x simplifies to 79x + 22.

I found the other posts about XOR for solving the visual puzzle.

[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 days ago

ah ok you're adding the final x directly to the polynomial, that's fine then, yes

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

f''(x) is 78x+22 but the question asks what number is f''(x) + x, hence 79x+22.

[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 days ago

yeah, i just did the derivative first and added that last x at the end, same result

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Honestly some capchas make me wish it was just a derivative.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

∫ x tan(x) dx

[–] Imhotep@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (3 children)

is the correct pattern indeed 6 and why?

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[–] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

A few years ago when I was in college, I would've been able to solve that equation probably but that information has since left my brain lol.

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[–] SonicBlue03@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I haven't seen one like this but I am a little tired of looking at grainy traffic lights.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 2 points 6 days ago

I'm tired of looking at clear, easy to spot traffic lights that I get 100% right but have to do page after page of them because I'm using a VPN. If it's not important I will give up on a site using reCaptcha.

[–] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

The version I did had smaller circles, more abstract and nearly indistinguishable symbols and shapes and the numbers were scattered throughout the orbits. Some numbers were in between and it took a few seconds to figure out what orbit they were 'labeling'. Also as you scrolled through the options, it seemed as if none fit the appropriate answer so I defaulted to the audio.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unplug the network cable and reboot. When it asks about an account there should be an option to join a domain. Select that and you can make a local account. *

*Ms changes this a bit so it may be inaccurate

[–] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

This was for an online service. I don't want it to be restricted to one device. I was creating multiple accounts so I could have multiple free trials of things not affiliated with MS but had an option to use an MS account to log in.

[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Because ai.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

It was already a problem before. Now it is much worse.

The actual issue is that the entire system relies on obscurity

[–] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I know why they do it, just the fact that they seem to be the only ones with a difficult one like this. Some people might not be able to. I could barely see it.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago

It's interesting in how it combines three different tests - visualization of both the targets and the field to move them in, comprehension of what the task is, and correct movement. I had to take a second to understand the whole point myself.

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