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[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

I don't think this is earth shattering news. These companies identify when the audience is barely paying attention (to content and ads) and spits out the cheap stuff. I watch fly fishing and fly tying videos on YouTube and often fall asleep with it on. Then I wake up to the third hour of a professional bass fishing tournament. It happens a lot

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 22 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

But I am grateful for independent journalism, which is now my main hope for the future.

Well guess who's in control of eyeballs on those journalists?

Social media companies, who have clear incentives to deprioritize such content and have repeatedly shown they do.

Let’s reclaim music from the technocrats. They have not proven themselves worthy of our trust.

While I agree with the article, I have issue with this line. These are not technocrats, they are "leaders" willing to make companies and their products objectively worse in the name of short term profits. These aren't 'technical experts put in charge,' they are greedy, spineless pigs.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't know this, but it makes sense. One of my biggest complaints about streaming (Pandora is guilty of this, too) is that anyone with a copy of Ableton and a mediocre talent can crank out tracks barely modifying the base toolset. I tend to listen to a lot of variants of electronic music. 95% of the music is absolute crap. 4.5% is tolerable. And 0.5% might end up in my playlist. Less tan 1:100/songs. I have no doubt that “band” or artist names were made up to crank something out, abandoned, and started up under a different name to churn out more boring samesies hoping for a few plays in one of those “made for you” playlists.

So the service doing this for themselves and enabling it for profit isn’t surprising.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

One of my biggest complaints about streaming (Pandora is guilty of this, too) is that anyone with a copy of Ableton and a mediocre talent can crank out tracks barely modifying the base toolset.

People being able to do art isn't a bad thing, and I'm glad streaming has made publishing so much more accessible.

If you don't like it you don't have to listen to it. Every time some algorithm playlist churns out another spoonful of slop you don't actually have to open wide.

You could just look up the artists you like and what other people like that's like those artists, or look at collabs they've done or who remixes them or been remixed or covered by them and who they've been in bands with and what genre they tag to see who else is in that (micro)genre/niche.

I've never actually listened to someone else's playlists, not man-made nor generated, only my own, and I regularly listen to extremely niche folks with 1k-40k Monthly Listeners all of whom are completely legitimate artists with unique great music, many of them electronic actually.

The truth is that 99% of people like copy-paste slop and that's why they click on the slop and gravitate towards algos or charts for top ten artists.

And a global market for music with a low entry barrier means that it's easier than ever to get started artistically expressing yourself for fun and for yourself, just as it should be, but still hard to be actually heard if you want to take it commercial, even if it's fairer system than the gatekeeping of labels.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Art… look, I get the premise of what you’re saying, but just because art is mediocre or just bad doesn’t free it of criticism because “art.” It can be shitty art and be called exactly that. It’s not sacred.

Edit: nice massive edit you did.

And is this argument that “if i don’t like it I don’t have to listen to it”? The WHOLE POINT of Spotify is to listen to it and be exposed to music, and my position was that it’s littered with crap. You’re basically telling me that if I don’t like billboards along the roadside I shouldn’t bother having a car? Lol, whatever man. Shitty art is still shitty art. Not everything belongs in a gallery.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah sure, it's actually good to think critically about it, but that doesn't mean it's existence is a negative, which is how your comment comes off - dismissive.

In the same way the world would be a slightly worse place without the joys of b-movies like The Room or Suburban Sasquatch or Plan 9 FOS, or without outsider musicians like Daniel Johnston etc...

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t need to listen to badly made music any more than I need to be exposed to budget hotel room art on the walls of the Louvre. You wanna watch B movies? Great! But nobody’s inserting 30 C and D films between your current netflix series.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

"badly made music" is a subjective idea.

"Inserting 30 C and D films" implies forcing someone, you are never forced, Spotify is not a goddamn radio station, you can just click on the track or album or artists you want.

Same thing with Netflix, you can click the search bar and type in your film or show of choice, you can even stop using Netflix altogether instead of just consooming like a slop vacuum.

Maybe touch non-algorithmically selected non-personalized grass too.

[–] Boozilla@sh.itjust.works 20 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Many of my friends use it. I'm old school and just keep a collection of mp3s on multiple devices for backup.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 13 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

It's all but impossible to purchase an mp3 anymore. Anywhere you can theoretically buy music does everything it can to lock you in to their ecosystem and prevent you from accessing your music outside of it.

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 24 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I believe that Bandcamp is doing a pretty good job with it. But you can always sail the seas

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I have no issue sailing the seas, if I can't buy it an own it, then I don't see the problem in downloading it.

My mother hates Spotify and just wants to own her music and listen to like the 100 or so songs she likes, but absolutely cannot figure out how to buy them. She's not really technical and wouldn't pirate if she were.

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 6 points 12 hours ago

Your mother is absolutely right and this old school way is not so old school, it's not mainstream but not really old school. But yeah piracy is a bit hard to accommodate, so in this way there are two options, teach her how to use it OR download her music.

If you support your favorite creators by going to their show or buying stuff I don't see the ethical problem of piracy. I've more than 1600 songs from a dozens of groups and I just love it, got the best quality (at least 16 bit 48Khz), can listen to the songs offline on my PC or with my iem (best kind of earbuds in my opinion).

The only downside is the size of the files, I have about 25gigs in my library, my phone and my pc have enough storage but if I'd like I could reduce this to around 5-6gigs by using "normal mp3 audio"

[–] nfms@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I live in Europe. Had Spotify for about 5 years, stopped paying and using 6 months ago. I usually buy from Bandcamp, mostly non mainstream music, and download in FLAC and store it on my server. I can stream through the app on my phone when I'm out.
For the ones I can't find on Bandcamp, or albums from major labels, I tend to find it on Qobuz in MP3. Pricing trends to be similar everywhere.
My pirating nowadays is mainly for old music or establish artists.

Edit: autocorrect

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I scan understand that you prefer to pay for your music, personally I prefer support artists in other ways than buying from platform.

I don't put my music on my server simply because i prefer to have music directly on local, it's not that heavy so I prefer having my music directly on hand. Even with the possibility of self hosting it.

[–] nfms@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The artists I like don't come around where I live, so I can't support through live music. I've done it in the past when I lived in a large city. In the end we're all trying our best. And we all have our use cases, there's no right way to listen to music.

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[–] phx@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 hours ago

Yeah, going from "Google Play Music" to "YouTube Music" was such a downgrade. Shit like Bluetooth had more issues with YTM, and they completely eliminated the ability to purchase music. It sucks and there are still no good alternatives on Android :-(

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

No idea why you would think it's hard to buy MP3s. I've never had a problem buying any, just go to the big name FAANG companies' music store webpages or Bandcamp for FLACs. No DRM on any that I bought.

[–] Boozilla@sh.itjust.works 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Used CDs (or local library). Ripping software. Super easy. Or just buy from Amazon and download your files to local.

[–] bradd@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

People sell whole collections or discographies on ebay too, I've had good luck with that. CD, then rip them. I don't give a flying fuck what law says if I own the media I'm going to rip it.

For music that I really like, for artists that I really appreciate, I do look for ways to support them, because buying used does not.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 4 points 12 hours ago

It's not hard to download a YouTube video as an mp3, so all you've gotta do is rip it from one of the many places it's posted up.

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[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 8 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

One of the best thing to do is to pirate almost all of your music and then reward the creators by going to their shows, buying them shirts or even CDs (you can also rip physical copy if piracy is not a thing)

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[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

The chart showing how much money the CEO has made off selling the stock.. wouldn't he run out of shares? It appears executives have sold over a billion dollars in 2024.

Makes you wonder if they heard these investigations were ongoing and figured they'd sell shares before lawsuits came and any potential dips in the company worth.

If so.. insider trading charges would be nice

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago

CEOs are often compensated with stock, AFAIK.

Insider trading is almost a joke now, and about to become way more of one under the next few years of the SEC.

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[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 20 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Bandcamp is the way to go and Tidal if you really need streaming.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Tidal has decided to sunset it's app, which means it's basically on maintenance mode now. Somewhat off putting.

[–] Bienenvolk@feddit.org 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Did they? Couldn't find an announcement on the fly.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

They laid off 10% of their workforce last year, and like 20% of the remaining work force late this year with cuts to engineering expected. It is not in a healthy place, seemingly, and they cover a very small slither of the market.

Edit: Couldn't find the exact article I had read before but this one seems well formatted. https://www.headphonesty.com/2024/12/tidal-bets-future-artists-djs/

It doesn't help that their parent company makes so little from them compared to a series of crypto ventures, but what can really compare to that.

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[–] jrgn@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I jumped ship over to Quboz for this reason. I've been really happy with it

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'm concerned with switching to a small alternative which then becomes untenable or shutters within a year and then having to piss around again.

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[–] Thoven@lemdro.id 3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Its app on a specific platform? Or do you mean the entire service? Seems weird that they would sunset their only product.

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[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

Can anyone tell me how to cancel Spotify service? I went to their website, but it wouldn't let me in without installing or logging into their app. And from their app I can't find a way to cancel!

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Intermediary platforms are like this, yes. They take place of what should be infrastructure.

I hope everybody understands that if some standard, easy to get into payment and catalogue system were in place, nobody would need these platforms. If you could pay to an IP address as easily as you can ping it. I mean, I think identities should be cryptographic in that, but you get the idea. It should be lower level functionality.

[–] Jeremyward@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Really hated when they started adding auto play of another unrelated podcast when my current podcast ends, like I don't want your shitty podcast selection Spotify. The enshitification of the web continues.

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[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I just use ViMusic or RiMusic or one of those types of forks. I believe it uses YouTube and other sources. It is ad-free and has the usual stuff you'd expect like suggestions, playlists, genres etc. Occasionally the source platform will make a change that breaks it, an update comes out fixes it.

That and there are still (probably ancient at this point) desktop clients that scrape your Pandora and download local copies of all the tracks. That's another good way to never listen to ads.

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[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 51 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

For ease of reading, the investigation he refers to:

https://harpers.org/archive/2025/01/the-ghosts-in-the-machine-liz-pelly-spotify-musicians/

In short: fake artists with stock music (changing labels and other camouflage applied). Likely goal: to depreciate streaming counts for actual artists and increase profit margins.

What I uncovered was an elaborate internal program. Spotify, I discovered, not only has partnerships with a web of production companies, which, as one former employee put it, provide Spotify with “music we benefited from financially,” but also a team of employees working to seed these tracks on playlists across the platform. In doing so, they are effectively working to grow the percentage of total streams of music that is cheaper for the platform. The program’s name: Perfect Fit Content (PFC). The PFC program raises troubling prospects for working musicians. Some face the possibility of losing out on crucial income by having their tracks passed over for playlist placement or replaced in favor of PFC; others, who record PFC music themselves, must often give up control of certain royalty rights that, if a track becomes popular, could be highly lucrative. But it also raises worrying questions for all of us who listen to music. It puts forth an image of a future in which—as streaming services push music further into the background, and normalize anonymous, low-cost playlist filler—the relationship between listener and artist might be severed completely.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

I'm just amazed they haven't tried to use AI to write and record their shoddy muzak, cutting out the musician all together.

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