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Summary

The Pentagon warns that a potential government shutdown by Friday will halt military paychecks during the holidays unless Congress reaches a funding agreement.

Troops, including overseas and reserve forces, must continue reporting for duty unpaid, with federal civilian workers also affected.

The issue stems from House Republicans abandoning a spending plan after criticism from Donald Trump and Elon Musk over unrelated provisions, leaving lawmakers scrambling for an alternative.

Military leaders caution that this funding lapse will cause widespread disruptions, though such outcomes have been partially mitigated in past shutdowns.

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Just deploy them. Then they won't need their pay. I'm sure the US can find something for them to do.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 133 points 1 week ago (1 children)

President Musk does not give a fuck.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 67 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean did the Republicans give a fuck any of the other times they lead a government shutdown?

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

They've been using it as a cudgel for years. Don't want to pass our objectively ridiculous budget proposal? Fuck you, shut it all down. They plan this in advance. As long as nobody budges an inch on anything they can reliably use federal workers as hostages in their "negotiations".

[–] Australis13@fedia.io 64 points 1 week ago

Trump doesn't care. He hates the military: https://lemmy.world/post/8041636

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago

No worries. Just don't vote for the draft dodging felon next time. If there is a next time.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you voted for xelon, you deserve this. And the people around you who didn't vote for him get to shove it in your face and blame you for their pain.

It's a funny thought that the secret service is supposed to give their life to protect the president and the president elect. And now they are supposed to do so without pay.

That's a bold move cotton.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I know when I'm planning a hostile takeover of a world government I always piss off the military first thing. even better if you can do it by taking away their paychecks for Christmas.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Wait, did you think they wouldn't blame the Dems?

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hopefully it helps the troops make the right call when the orange VP and President Musk declare marshall law.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Orange Musk probably hope that only loyalists will stay enlisted and everyone else quits.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Because, as we saw in Iraq, having large amounts of competent military personnel no longer in the military because of politics walking among the general public leads to good long term outcomes.

Are you seriously suggesting we try learning from the past?!?

A WITCH! BURN THEM!

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why are they calling Marshal that?

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Lol, I fixed the auto capitalization but didn't notice the spelling change.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Oh god I hope so. Recruitment is already falling fast in the US. No one wants to be soldiers. Which good, USA needs to stop being a warmongering nation. Less soldiers equals less wars, it's a simple numbers game. If you ALSO take away the paychecks of the few stupid enough to be loyal to this violent nation, well that's it, we're done.

*Edit: A literal starve the beast.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

The numbers stopped adding up years ago. There are 1.5 military contractors (largely not US citizens) for every 1 enlisted soldier in the US military. We just pay people to fight our wars. Otherwise we would have to draft and people would get upset about our endless wars again.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/social/corporate

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You dont need a ton of people if you bomb everyone with autonomous drones, which is exactly what they are doing.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

True, but you do need people to man the nearly 800 military bases the US has around the globe and I’m sure pretty much everyone except the neoconservatives would like to see many of those shut down or transferred to be run purely by their host government

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We can't fight wars with only drones any more than we could fight them with only airpower. At some point, there are always boots on the ground.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

Israel is finding this out in real time.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately a smaller volunteer army does not mean less war, it just increases the odds of conscription if we do get into a conflict.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Less soldiers equals less wars, it's a simple numbers game.

You underestimate Republican willingness to fight wars with low/no oversight civilian contractors.

[–] ramsorge@discuss.online 5 points 1 week ago

Drones instead of boots.

[–] Heikki@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

From what the right Wings news sources are saying, "It's the Dens fault the majority/ruling party can not get thier shit together"

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Standard response. It'll probably work.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Worked for McConnell. Fuck up everything, blame the president and/or democrats

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

Sounds like financial terrorism

[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 11 points 1 week ago

It’s ok, they will pump AFN full of bullshit lies indicating Democrats somehow did this instead of Republicans.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Republicans are so good at the economy and foreign policy guys. The best.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Pretty sure they’ve always gotten paid after the fact. As long as everyone has plenty of savings to fall back on and this doesn’t happen over any major gift giving holidays ….. clearly one of those disconnected from reality situations, where the people making this decision have the means for that to not be serious, even if they let themselves be affected

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

Nothing ever happens.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Lmao Elon is just dangling their paycheck infront of them like a carrot on a stick

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They voted for it

inaction is a choice.

[–] shield_gengar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Oh damn shucks oh no

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just turn it into severance. We need to cut the military

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yes, just before a war.

such wise words....

[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

War with who? The only war that will happen will be because of the incoming administration.

[–] Dashi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I mean, you kinda answered your own question. "What war?" "The war the incoming administration will probably start / pour fuel on is the only one I can think of"