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Summary

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy asserted that no world leader has the right to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin on behalf of Ukraine.

Speaking to Le Parisien readers, Zelenskyy emphasized that Ukraine alone determines its future and any dialogue with Russia must follow a peace plan based on strength and international support.

He warned against negotiating without clear guarantees of security, highlighting the risks of Putin resuming aggression after a ceasefire.

Zelenskyy called for a strategy ensuring Ukraine's long-term stability and security, beyond NATO or EU membership timelines.

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[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 367 points 1 week ago (8 children)

It's fucking ridiculous he has to say it out loud

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 90 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Tbh a lot of people in the states are under the impression that we CAN do precisely that, because we absolutely have done in the past. But this is also kind of a whole different ballgame, in a ton of pretty crucial ways.

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No world leader = hey, you orange turd, you do NOT speak on our behalf.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

But stated politically.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

this is why our teachers taught us the difference between can and may (one implies ability, the other permission) because all of south america is looking at this like "fucking right dude"

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As an American, I have always found our conduct in South America in particular to be utterly reprehensible.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

Central too. Dole & United Fruit, Panama Canal, School of the Americas, just to mention a few lasting atrocities

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[–] dance_ninja@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

It is, but that's what Trump did with Afghanistan.

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[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 116 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (66 children)

I am so sad by how Ukraine has been handled.

The West should have been an overwhelming power against Russian imperialism. Ukraine should have been given everything from the beginning, no strings attached, with no self-imposed red lines.

They will swallow another democracy in 10-20 years and the cycle repeats.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 week ago

And that would likely have ended the war sooner, causing less people to die, and making Putin less likely to try something like it in the future.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Tactically, the plan is to make Russia bleed to death rather than temporarily paralyse it.

Maximizing the loss of russian life and draining the russian economy to the point that the population won't tolerate any further war is the goal. It's unfortunate that this is at the cost of ongoing war in Ukraine.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 98 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is arguably the whole point of the war.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

For Ukraine yes, but as far as Ukraine's allies go? Only in principle. In reality we help Ukraine because it fucks up Russia, but we don't give Ukraine the support it really needs or asks for because of [insert litany of excuses for years of delay on new weapons systems].

Proxy wars are nasty business, and Ukraine has precious little say in any of the macro decisions. Russia and Russia's ennemies collectively hold all the negociation leverage.
Zelenskyy's only hope is that domestic pressure will force the West to make a genuine effort at preserving as much of Ukraine's sovereignty as possible, hence this media intervention.

And he's right to be worried, because the situation in Palestine shows, again, that most Western governments only stick to their stated principles when it's politically convenient and shrug at literal genocide when it's not. And the Russian propaganda machine is going to work overtime to make us think that any Russian concession to Ukraine would be against European interests.

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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 88 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Unfortunately, Trump will do exactly that regardless.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 55 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Probably already has.

Given the Russian pushes since Trump won the election, I'm guessing the deal is "stop fighting (for a bit), but any land you're currently on is yours to keep".

This obviously will not apply to the bits of Russia currently under Ukrainian control.

Europe needs to up it's munitions manufacture. Can't rely on the US for that shit any more. They've gone mad.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago

Maybe we can broker a deal where Russia gets to keep the invaded land, but Ukraine becomes a full NATO member.

That should fuck up putins imperialist plans to revive the ussr.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Yep the Trump deal is currently no NATO and full handover of the two provinces plus anything Russia holds. It is absolutely ridiculous.

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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (13 children)

America can tell Russia Ukraine formally surrenders, and that the moon is made of cheese, it isnt going to stop anyone from fighting to protect themselves.

The fact that even western countries seem to think that there can be negotiations about the fate of Ukraine and its people, without the Ukrainian voice present, is laughable and directley supports Putin and the Russian Mafia's fantasy-narrative.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

probably already has an ~~instruction~~ agreement to cease all support

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[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 72 points 1 week ago (26 children)

You'd think this would be a fairly cut and dry issue - the countries helping Ukraine wouldn't like it either if another country started negotiating terms on their behalf (especially not with a monster like Putin).

Ukraine and its people should be the ones to decide their own fate.

I swear people who think otherwise must've read David vs. Goliath and sided with the Goliath.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

must’ve read David vs. Goliath and sided with the Goliath.

Bold of you to assume that they can read, or that they have read the Bible.

In my experience not even "devout Christians" do that last one.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (8 children)

easiest way to become an atheist is to read scripture.

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