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fun fact: IBM asked for, and got, an exception from that clause.
I guess they'll use JSON when they're building the database to do the next holocaust.
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Did they reveal what the evil task they were using it for was?
They make chips for missiles.
Knowing IBM, probably something to do with Nazis
Well, IIRC they did work with the Nazis to manage concentration camps and more
https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/ibms-role-in-the-holocaust-new-documents-confirm-t
I remember when he told that story, it was something like this: one company which I don't want to name, so will just say it's initials - IBM. He also authorised usage for IBM "and it's minions".
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So do you use JSON for your endpoints?
No we use XML
Oh interesting why is that?
Uhhh.....no reason
Well SOAP is inherently evil so that just makes sense
What happens is that engineers look at a technology and say, this is too complex, I just need something simple. So they invent and/or adopt something simpler than the popular technology of the day.
But as they build more and more things using the technology, they realize that it needs more features, so those get added on. This happens over and over again to the technology with more and more features being added to it, until a new set of engineers look at it and say this is too complex, I just need something simple...
You've just described what is probably the most well-known xkcd comic in a somewhat long-winded fashion.
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The biggest problem with such a clause is that it is hard to define "evil", even if it seems clear to you. Some people think that abortion is evil, so are abortion clinics banned from Json? What about the military and weapon manufacturers? Killing is evil, but you all know how the discourse about the military as national heroes that can't be evil in the US goes. What about a service like X - is it evil? Can you define "evil" for a surveillance tool that brands itself as ad tech?
The clause also states that the product MUST be used for Good, which is a higher bar. I'd imagine most things JSON is used for are fairly morally neutral.
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How does one address the paradox that, as JSON itself is evil, one cannot use it for evil?
(opinions may vary on the above; but it's mine, so nyah nyah.)
It's less evil than XML or YAML
XML is ok for complex docs where you have a detailed structure and relationships. JSON is good for simple objects. YAML is good for being something to switch to for the illusion of progress.
Meh. I just wish XML was easier to parse. I have to shuttle a lot of XML data back and forth. As far as I can tell, the only way to query the data is to download a whole engine to run a special query language, and that doesn't really integrate into any of my workflows. JSON retains the hierarchy and is trivially parsed in almost any programming language. I bet a JSON file containing the exact same data would be much smaller also, since you don't list each tag twice.
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This is peak licensing
Spoilsports. Next they'll be telling me I can't use apple software in the development, design, manufacture, or production of nuclear, missile, or chemical or biological weapons.
Me buying my first IBM ThinkPad online:
IBM: are you planning to use this ThinkPad to produce weapons of mass destruction?
Me: I wasn't before, but now I'm curious
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Wait I though the point of these post-opensource clauses (see also: anti-capitalist licence, WTFPL, etc.) was to scare off the big corporations lawyers and make sure your code won't end up in AWS or something like that? Are Linux distros the only actors who are still giving a shit about licencing?
If you want to scare corporations use AGPL or, if you're feeling spicy, SSPL. Do not use WTFPL, it's too permissive.
https://opensource.google/documentation/reference/using/agpl-policy/
AGPL policy: Don't use.
Exactly. It scares them.
Always were.
Big companies care too but only if their cya arm knows enough about software to actually enforce anything. A lot don't.
OK but how can json have a license? I understand a particular json parser having a license, but how can a specification, which contains no code, even be considered "software"?
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The FSF also lists any software as non-free which uses the beer license (use the software in any way you want, and should you ever meet the author, pay them a beer).
I can't stand beer - is there a rum & Coke license?
I thought it was free as in speech not free as in beer? So if it costs a beer then isn't it still free (as in speech)? Or is this a OSI vs FSF difference?
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Everybody gangsta with the "don't be evil" clause until the authors turn out to be a nutjob who thinks trans people are blights against God and must be exterminated.
I doubt (or at least hope) that that's not what they think, but hopefully that illustrates why the clause is dumb.
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This gave me a brilliant idea:
- Everyone adds a clause to whatever license they use stating "any part of this software may not be used for war purposes of any kind"
- We wait until software with these licences is spread across the supply chain of everything on Earth
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- World peace, as no country would be legally allowed to wage war
"Vladimir Putin, you are under arrest for war crimes."
"It was a special military operation! It was all the fault of the Nazis!"
"No, not for all that. You're under arrest for violating the GNU GPL! Prepare to meet your source, licencef*****!!!"
*blam* *blam* *blam*
The question on stack overflow: PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function json_decode()
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I'll be downloading this one
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