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Microsoft says new Copilot Windows 11 app is native, but NO. It's a WebView, uses 1GB RAM
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Hate thinly veiled webapps
this post was submitted on 12 Dec 2024
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Thinly veiled massive resource hogs
No no, we're just reading it wrong. It's an acronym:
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Noticed at work even "new" Teams is just (edge) webview.
Rofl.
That's probably a good thing, because they forgot how to code native stuff.
Teams and Outlook as standalone programs are so riddled with bugs, I've since switched to using either one through the browser exclusively. In fact I've got one screen set to to display nothing but Edge with outlook and teams open, and ignore that shit browser the rest of the time.
Honestly, just open it in Edge (or another browser if you can)
I went from being barely able to use the computer to having no issues. Recent model i5 laptop, 16 gigs of RAM, Windows ughwtfwhydidtheypreinstall11.
Luckily this is not for my day job or my personal usage, both of which involve computers with Linux, better CPUs and more RAM... And more importantly, no Teams.
By chance has this screwed up teams in any way?
Screwed ... more?
It's a perpetually buggy app, I'm sure they didn't ... wouldn't mess up those peak screwiness levels they cultivated over many M&A.
Microsoft is one of the top contributors to rust. it sucks that they would also release crap like this.
I'm not going to update. I'm going to become a Linux guy. It's going to be difficult but, I think, worth it. I wonder if I'll still be able to play Trackmania....
Switching to Linux Mint was pretty painless other than some poor luck hiccups during the first time setup. No problems since.
You can check protondb to see if games run nice on linux https://www.protondb.com/app/2225070 - Trackmania is rated gold, so it'll probably just work
Hopefully I'm not being wooshed.
Don't delay, become a Linux guy today.
Trackmania is gold on ProtonDB. With a few exceptions, the only games I haven't been able to play on Linux have been the ones with overly invasive anti cheat. I don't miss them. (I have very rarely had trouble with launchers as well, but usually there are ways around them.) It's genuinely very easy most of the time.
I'm not an expert, but if you have questions or troubles switching to Linux, feel free to ask me. If you'd prefer not to, there are a few very welcoming Linux gaming communities as well. I look forward to seeing how happy you are after switching!
edit: in the time it took me to write this, two others have written very similar messages. I do love Lemmy.
I've played thousands of hours of TM in Linux back to the TMNF days, works great. Honestly Uplay causes more problems than TM itself.
I used to play Trackmania on Ubuntu back in 2013. I hope they didn't fuck it up.
But like why? The main reason you use WebView or electron or anything like that is to easily make it for different OS's and form factors like mobile.
The copilot app will be running on windows only. Sure there's windows for arm now too but like why WebView?
There's an overabundance of competent-ish frontend developers. You most likely need to pay the devs less, compared to someone writing it with e.g. C++, and finding people with relevant experience takes less time. You also get things like a ready-made sandbox and the ability to re-use UI components from other web services, which simplifies application development. So my guess is that this is done to save money.
Also, the more things are running in an embedded browser the more reasons M$ has to bake Edge into the OS, without raising eyebrows as to why they're providing it as a default (look it's a system tool as well, not just a browser).
But windows has C#
Who says that their ultimate goals are limited to Windows only?
Because they fail everywhere else
The web as a layout tool is so far ahead of anything that was ever in Windows as to be from another planet.
That's the main reason it's used now. Making things look nice without having to reinvent the wheel. I guess fuck me for not wanting simple apps to use several GB of RAM.
Didn't they release Cortana as a mobile app at some point?
I thought that was just for windows phones but I could be wrong.
In fairness webview is native. Disingenuous, but not wrong.
In this context they likely meant "native" as in "made with Win32/WPF"
Yeah. The harness is. Shaky ground, but technically true.
This implies to.me there's a way to disable it without bricking your system.
Does anyone have knowledge of this?
irm "https://christitus.com/win" | iex
Eli5
Run in powershell and be amazed by the options to fix Windows with
Webview is so shit. I have an old laptop that i use for watching movies that i havent gotten around to putting linux on because the hard drive is dying and i dont want to stress it, and because it always worked fine for what it does. Then one day, despite me having used multiple scripts to disable telemetry and set OS updates to security only, a copilot icon appeared on my taskbar. Since then, the laptop runs like shit with massive stalls and slowdowns, until i kill the 8 instances of MSEdgeWebView.exe. then it runs great again, except i cant access the shitty new settings pages and webview restarts itself after a while.
Native as in, it's not running on a cloud service
But it's native for suitably reimagined definitions of "native".
That means it needs an Internet connection to work, right?
not necessarily, it could host a local server to serve files to itself
For some reason I feel like a lot of these Microsoft services and apps are going to be webview versions to minimize platform designing as well as just being a lot more tracking you in forms of "partners" and your privacy will just be nonexistent. They know it be more "difficult" to use something like a more privacy and secure browsering with extensions like uBlock Origin.
Ofcourse some of tech nerds will block it on more levels but not your granny or inexperienced novice computer user.
Both the OS and their apps give me that vibe.