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The most likely government to emerge - most analysts predict - will be a coalition including a hard-right nationalist party for the first time in Spain since the death of fascist dictator Francisco Franco in 1975.

More left-leaning Spaniards are frantically texting contacts, urging them to make sure to vote - despite the heat and it being holiday time for many - to "stop the fascists" in their tracks.The rhetoric this election season has been toxic, with voters becoming increasingly polarised.

It's a fight over values, traditions and about what being Spanish should mean in 2023.

This kind of heated identity debate isn't peculiar to Spain. Think of Italy, France, Brazil or the post-Trumpian debate in the US.

At EU HQ in Brussels, there are huge concerns about a resurgence of hard-right nationalist parties across Europe.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 88 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I am getting tired of liberals (in the European sense, not the American sense) clutching their pearls at the resurgence of the fascist right when they did everything they could to kill off the socialist left everywhere in Europe. If you shift the Overton window so that your corporate neoliberal asses are the left side of it, what the fuck do you expect to be at its right side?

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Haha yeah, us Americans did that nearly a century ago!

sad late-stage capitalism noises

[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

India did that about 20 years back and for the past 9 years we've (mis)governed by violent right-wing Hindu supremacism. :(

the Communist holdout of Kerala is the only state in India where the BJP does not have a foothold.

[–] JuvenoiaAgent@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

What?! But according to my extended family (Brahmins), Modi is great! /s

It’s not a good look on any country, regardless of which country it is.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Lal Salaam!

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty much what's happening here in France. The majority sides with the hard right on a lot of decisions. It's also happening in the EU parliament. We're heading right towards very very hard times.

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[–] Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The far right vow to "Make Spain Great Again".

...where have i heard this super nifty phrase before???

Oh yeah, lets march back to where they would pick you up in the middle of the night, handcuff, blindfold then chuck you off a cliff.

Great times.

As if our little town just didn't lay to rest the remains of some such people less than a year ago.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

where have i heard this super nifty phrase before???

Exactly, this. It's very worrying

[–] SuddenDownpour@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The idiots of Vox literally copy their ideology from the US far right. They are so extremely uncapable of thinking by themselves that they're trying to capitalize on transphobia in a country that is heavily supportive of trans rights:

As if that wasn't enough, the mainstream right-wing party is trying to appeal to them even though their average voter isn't that deranged out of some weird fear that they actually are.

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[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This crap is hitting the whole world and it sucks. A bunch of old farts holding back progress because they think we should be acting like people who’ve been 6” under for decades. So dumb, regardless of country or culture.

[–] DoctorTYVM@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People normally think fascism seizes power undemocratically. And it does. But first there are years of voters saying they want tyrants who will only hurt the bad people, never thinking that it could happen to them.

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

to be fair, quite often the fascists size power through democratic means, just refuse to give it up afterward

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[–] lildictator@feddit.nl 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

When the middle class struggles, they eventually embrace anybody who promises a break from the status quo.

Moderate parties need to ask themselves what have they done so poorly that these extremists are now becoming popular. We've seen these sort of authoritarian far-right movements across the globe and I'm not seeing moderates offer a great answer.

Personally, I would rather see a shift towards a sustainable future where the necessities of life, such as food, housing, education, health care and public transit were enshrined.

[–] timicin@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

moderates are the reason why the extremist right groups exist per martin luther king's explanation: https://letterfromjail.com/

tldr: I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

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[–] Hellsadvocate@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Middle class suffers slightly: "let's start blaming minorities, immigrants, gay people, and start removing human rights for them."

[–] Blamemeta@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More like: we can't put food on the table, get a roof over our heads, and we can't even get a doctors appointment. And politicians are more worried about other countries?

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[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Slighly? People can't afford housing, public healthcare is in decline, and the burden of taxes to fix government overexpending (frequently in less important things) mostly applies to the middle class. The middle class today wants what their parents had and most has realized that it will be impossible.

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[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

So middle class almost disappearing is "suffering slightly"?

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[–] yip-bonk@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Murdoch Infection Continues Apace

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There really needs to be a worldwide epidemiological study on how Murdoch's empire has shifted global politics to the right.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

study on how Murdoch's empire has shifted global politics

Good point.

There have been many media influence studies, and their results are alarming. Though not necessarily about Murdoch's influence, afaik. But Murdoch though very powerfull, is one of the many, don't forget Axel Springer, Berlusconi, Orban etc.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Attention Spanish bigots, choosing fascism isn't going to stop climate change or make your lives better.

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[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] HeavenAndHell@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

When you see presidents like Macron in France pushing an extremely unpopular retirement law through, bypassing congress, you are going to see more shit like this in more countries. Neoliberals have to understand their corporate romance is killing their platform when people are starving and working full-time. Fascism is only going to make things way worse.

[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm Spanish and this is inaccurate on many levels

[–] TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

First, it was a tie, not a win

Second, vox lost representation in parliament

Third, it was expectable that the center-right party got the most votes after the current president did a terrible job and had to recur to fearmongering to gather votes

[–] BananaMangoShake@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately, this is a huge reality happening in almost all EU countries, at least those that accepted a ton of immigrants. I live in Spain, and I can tell you that right and hard-right winning is a no surprise at all. There’s a minor but loud immigrant that simply doesn’t care about anything but themselves: for example, go search the thefts crimes committed in Barcelona these few years: they increased by an alarming rate. In fact, the 60% of prisoners in Spain are foreigners. The overall crime rates have increased since accepting so much immigration. And this is a shame, because obviously not all immigrants are the same, but for the fault of those minor cases, they reputation is decreasing hardly.

And, before anyone crosses me out as a “nazi” or anti-immigration let me tell you: when I was born, my parents didn’t have the Spanish citizenship, so yep, my family and I were illegal immigrants. Also, my parents suffered from discrimination (for example, their university degrees were never validated, people were extra mean to them, insults (“return to your home”, “we don’t speak that language here”… you name it) but even with this discrimination level, they never, but never steal from anyone, they never raped anyone, they worked very hard and finally, after 20 years, we can say that we’re living a normal live.

Tomorrow is the election, and obviously voting those parties in my perspective is stupid, but I can understand why is happening.

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The titles not being validated is not discrimination, there is a process for that. There is an standarization with education in Europe and just accepting any title would be troubleshome.

[–] BananaMangoShake@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I understand this, they were college degrees after all. Maybe this were my parents fault for not invastigating better, but even then, this doesn't underestimate all the other forms of discrimination they (and even I) were faced against.

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In my previous work there was this client with an African wife, a doctor, she obviously had the title but she couldn't work in Spain without validating her title but doing some exams in Spanish, they were working on that.

I will bring my girlfriend from her country here and I told her she will need to do that in order to validate her academic titles. It's a shame that someone that was top of her class won't be able to use those academic results here.

It has nothing to do with discrimination, it's about maintaining educational standards.

[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, sorry for that. Unfortunately it's true that most people will look you weird if you tell them you're an illegal immigrant, mainly due to the not-so-great stereotype

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