The only reason it worked is because the Millitary backed off after Parliament overturned it, despite the Millitary blocking access to the building. The Millitary isn't bound by some electoral laws of the universe, they just as easily could have said the vote was illigetimate. This is a unique circumstance and cannot be used as universal.
The Millitary isn’t bound by some electoral laws of the universe, they just as easily could have said the vote was illigetimate.
Well I mean they are bound by laws, to the extent that laws have meaning. And responding to legal instruction would seem to validate the force and efficacy of the legal system, right?
Yes and no. Being bound by "legal" means is a pretense for civility, ie the social contract, but the millitary in no way must follow this. The Republic of Korea has had several millitary dictatorships, from Park Chung-hee to Chun Doo-Hwan, and to think any system is immune to such circumstances is false thinking.
They did not back off after Parliament overturned it, they said they would uphold martial law until the president called it off. The president was the one who called it off after the vote from Parliament
My understanding is that Incel King threatened to continue it but backed off after the vote anyways as it seemed like he wouldn't have the continued support of the Millitary.
It's not like Jan 6 2021 was a successful coup either tho?
We're not at the end of the timeline at which that's determined completely yet.
Frankly, the American Civil War isn't really even completely settled yet.
Legit should have just let the South go. North versus South goes all the way back to the foundation of our nation. It's never going to be resolved. Let the idiots have their racist homophobic dictatorship if that's what they want. At least the rest of us can build a civilized nation with them out of the way.
You have the resolve of a cop trying to solve a crime committed by another cop.
It’s never going to be resolved.
I think it was resolved, but then Johnson got elected, pardoned the entire Confederate South including Jefferson Davis, and rolled back reconstruction. And the south benefited from electoral success by counting the slave population toward their number of representatives despite disenfranchising them.
I don't have a real end point or pin to this thought but there's solvable electoral process things that could change the outcomes. The upsetting thing right now is disenchantment in the power of procedures to affect outcome which (1) in some sense is just an unfortunate truth but (2) in another sense is a self fulfilling prophecy as we lose touch of how processes can control outcomes.
Let the idiots have their racist homophobic dictatorship if that's what they want.
I'm sure it would never cause any lasting problems, sharing a substantial land border with an actively malicious enemy nation. /s
Besides, allowing them to leave because they wanted to continue actions antithetical to our values would be tacitly condoning them. "You can keep on trafficking humans, we just don't want any part of it" is a pretty cold-blooded response.
No, letting them go was never a valid option. We just needed to actually finish reconstruction. You can thank John Wilkes Booth for eliminating that.
The first shot was fired today against the oligarchs. Well, they started it with all the killing of innocent sick people but the first bullet was fired today.
He got shot for denying poor people their shots.
Is South Korea? It was days ago. Hard to say what the future will hold. The Jan 6th comparison is apt, I think.
Usually when you fail a coup you are dead, not re-elected.
Well, there was that one time in Munich back in 1923....
Kinda crazy that Hitler was put in jail for his coup attempt, while Trump evaded any and all consequences from his. Not that it stopped Hitler from rising to power...
But, while not directly comparable, it's in a way ironic that Hitler seemingly faced harsher consequences than Trump, even though Hitler's time in prison wasn't exactly tough for him.
Americans love fasicsm. That's why we voted for it. Despite the copious amount of warnings we received from the proto-fascist's ex-associates and top military personnel, not to mention unbelievably blatant examples from the proto-fascist himself.
Maybe we can have Nazi rallies at Madison Square Garden like we did in the 30s. We came pretty close a couple months ago.
huh, turns out a country built on a bed of indigenous genocide and chattel slavery isn't a great place after all 🤔 interesting 🤔
What? Stop a fascist coup? South Korea is already owned by like 3 coporations its already fascist.
Yeah this is a read on power that's made by babies and libs.
"They said the magic words that made the law spell work. Why can't you do that America???"
Yoon's coup failed because he failed to secure the centers of power (in SK this is literally the chaebol families) in his corner, not because the Parliament did a ritual.
Exactly. I would go so far as to say the Chaebols let this happen so that they could then have parliment "stop" it and get the people feeling good about parliment so when they turn around in a few months and pass some super crazy laws people wont care.
The American way is to bail them out financially, then re-elect them.
americans: "yeah so life sucks over here"
europeans: "lmfao rip bozo holy hell am i glad i'm not you"
"Rest of the world"
In my limited knowledge, that only recently applies to Brazil. For South Korea, it's too early to know for sure how stuff will develop.
Yeah, Americans reading this on lemmy! Why didn't you stop... something... from happening?? You definitely are the demographic who supports maga and also definitely have the ability to change the results of an election.
The right wing propaganda machine is too powerful. A close friend of mine works a trade and he's constantly being engaged with right wing talking points. He voted for Trump. He lives with another close friend who has a master's in history who constantly refutes all the talking points but I doesn't matter when all his coworkers, his social media and online media are riling him up with this shit.
At my job I've spoken to Hispanics, that can barely speak English, that are die-hard Trump fanatics. Feels like I'm taking crazy pills.
We’re too fat.
I thought this was referring to the gifts the United Healthcare CEO got yesterday.
South Korean law is apparently very peculiar. Hard to directly transfer this lecture to other countries.
The people didn’t hold President Yoon accountable. Parliament did.
We have the same system in the US. Congress holds the US President accountable the same way Parliament held Yoon accountable, with a vote.
The problem is that we voted in a fuckton of Trump loyalists as a nation, and it’ll be up to them to hold him accountable. We’ll get what we asked for.
The problem is, we voted in a fuckton of Trump loyalists as a nation, and it’ll be up to them to hold him accountable.
Yeah… that’s the uneducated citizens part dude…