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I assume "Other purposes" is govt kickbacks to mining and gas companies 😬

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[–] gleph@lemmy.world 178 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I love that it helps you see how little of the welfare payments are going to the unemployed, since that’s the part that concerns people the most.

[–] Deez@lemm.ee 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s a newer addition, when it first came out under a conservative Goverment, all welfare was grouped together.

[–] Risk@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

Classic Conservative tactic.

"Evil, stupid, greedy-" stuffs pockets "-jobless, welfare scroungers!" stuffs pockets "Pensioners, vote for me to bring down our welfare spending!"

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Indeed, especially since I am quite unconcerned about the Aged. They had their chance!

[–] Z3k3@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Uk government tried this a few yrs ago trying to spin the welfare part as work shy bambots then it came out that the lions share was pension pots that took up most of it with the teachers pensions being the one the media focused on

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[–] showmewhatyougot@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Always liked this because it helps people see to some extent where money is going.

I know the UK and Portugal do this as well. It was especially interesting in the UK during the Brexit years because you could see a tiny piece of that pie chart with EU contributions, almost saying "this is how little of our money is going to Europe", didn't do any good in the end but hey, still great info to have that all detailed

[–] Risk@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

the UK do this as well

They do?

Well shit, they do! Shame they don't actually tell you about it actively - as you said, they probably don't want most people to realise.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago (18 children)

It must be so nice to see such a small bar for your defense spending.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago

It's still 8.6%, that's quite a lot actually...

[–] dtxer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thats why they lost the Emu war...

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[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (21 children)

I strongly believe that this should be the standard everywhere. Unfortunately most governments won't tell you this, because a few of them are busy building golden temples for their authoritarian leaders, and blowing half of it on cocaine while pretending it's the immigrants' faults

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I agree with you 100% that this should be standard everywhere, but here's the thing... this information is readily available already.

At least in the US. But just like with most thing, it takes citizens a willingness to show the tiniest bit of effort to find that information.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58888

This is but one of many sites which show a breakdown of where our money in the US goes. Having one that breaks down each person's personal contribution would be especially interesting, but a percent is a percent so if 20% of our money collectively goes to X, then 20% of what your paid as an individual will also go to X.

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[–] MajesticNubbin@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (6 children)

One thing to note about this breakdown is that it wasn't legislated with good intention but it was implemented in a very malicious compliance way that completely counteracted the original intention.

This receipt was legislated by the conservative party in Australia under Tony Abbott, the surface level intention was to "show where people's tax dollars are spent". However the underlying intention was to show welfare spending as a huge category that totally eclipsed all other spending in order to demonize welfare, particularly unemployment welfare. In order to build public support for rolling back that spending.

However when the letter was implemented, the welfare category was further broken down as you see here, completely working against the narrative that the government at the time was trying to spin (that unemployment welfare particularly was a huge drain on society).

[–] nxfsi@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Instead it shows that boomers are the real drain on society

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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is pretty great. This should be happening everywhere.

[–] Singar@citizensgaming.com 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I get one from the US gov. It looks like:

Military spending ======================== Other =

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[–] Poot@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the US that would be a list of Congressmen and the Billionaires who own them.

[–] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think US would have a slightly smaller problem of NOT KNOWING WHERE THE FUCKING CASH IS

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[–] fidelacchius@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Eww you guys are getting close to spending more on education than the military. Slippery slope.

[–] kboy101222@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It gets worse-

They spell defense with a c!

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[–] Emu@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Another thing that's great about aussie tax.. you can fill it out yourself, it's very easy, all online, and it takes a very short time. They also explain every question in the form and have lots of materials that you can read. For me, I finish it each year in about 10 minutes, and never think about it again.

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[–] twistedtxb@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago

That's slightly more than mildly interesting

[–] Pasketti@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think something like this would make U.S. citizens feel better about taxes in general, since it can sometimes feel like you're throwing a large portion of your hard-earned money away.

[–] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The data to create this is essentially public with budget bills right? It would just take building a percentage tree and categorizing them appropriately. I might look into how complex this would be to build.

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[–] xradeon@lemmy.one 25 points 1 year ago

The US doesn't give you a nice little letter, but you can go to https://usafacts.org/visualizations/the-big-picture/ to see something similar.

[–] atyaz@reddthat.com 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In America, our government organizations can't pass an audit

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Most can. The DoD has consistently failed for years. Yet we still keep ballooning their budget.

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[–] DharmaCurious@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fun fact: in the United States you can request this same sort of receipt. It's slightly different, but all you have to do is request it, and they can show you exactly how many brown people they shot, or godless communists they've brought democracy to with your taxes!

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[–] dragovaar@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cries in American πŸ˜₯

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Arsenal4ever@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Where is the 1 trillion on defense? /s

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[–] Gyella@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It must be nice to live in a country where accountability is at least attempted. This shit would never work in Murica bc welll…. corruption.

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[–] Chiron17@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So what they do is take your tax and apportion it over by the Expense and Net Captial Investment Statement in Budget Paper 1 (usually Statement 6).

It's dead simple to do and really helps communicate where your money is going in general terms.

It was a Joe Hockey initiative.

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[–] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

USA:

Defense: |||||||| |||||||| |||||||| |||||||| |||||||| |||||||| ||||||||
Boomer Welfare: |||||||| |||||||| |||||||| |||||||| ||||||||
Interest on Debt: |||||||| ||||||||
Everything Else: |
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[–] hywoid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

W government. We need this level of transparency from all governments.

[–] Beowulf@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Kinda wish we got this in the US. Then people will realize all the junk our taxes support and will also (likely) want to cut spending.

Only in a perfect world

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[–] Centaur@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In my country government spending is mystery for tax payers.

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[–] Kaleunt17@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

That is very interesting.

[–] Zozano@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Nice to see our debt is being reduced. Meanwhile, the US is struggling to figure out how not to let their economy implode.

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[–] BlazeMaster3000@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You can request this in most countries, especially here in Canada. It's cool that the Aussie government makes it more transparent and accessible though. The "other purposes" seems a bit sussy-baka, though.

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[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

In the US we just all know that it's bombs to kill the enemies of whoever the companies are allowed to sell them to, and fighter jets that don't work.

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