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cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/4853884

cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/4853256

To whom it may concern.

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[–] schwim@lemm.ee 32 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, a change.org petition . I eagerly await the sweeping improvements to life abroad.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Not going to sign it, too. Change.org is part of the problem, and not of the solution.

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Just a casual bystander with no clue what's going on... why's change.org a problem?

Edit: ok, read more posts, understand now

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 37 minutes ago (1 children)

I couldn't find any posts talking about it, what's wrong with it?

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 minutes ago

It's like waving a disapproving finger at a brick wall, has always been my criticism.

Protests shouldn't be so easily tossed in a bin. If you aren't a problem, then no one has to listen to your message.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

I don't like the idea of governments banning access to a website, unless its like CSAM.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago

It's short sighted indeed.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

fuck CSAM, but where do we draw the line?

let laws regulate society and don't let government regulate directly.

for example, instead of banning access to X, outlaw the use of Social media in direct advertising. Make the EU market so hostile towards their business practices they can't legally operate.

then, it's "X" that refuses to operate within the laws we as a people have required, not just an over-reaching autocrat.

[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

That's a bad idea because of how reliant small businesses are on social media advertising. A regulation like that would essentially screw over every business that isn't rich enough to go to bigger advertising venues.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Twitter is not the sole, or even the biggest social media company in Europe. It's not even in the top 3.

The advertisement sector will be fine.

[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 1 points 33 minutes ago

That's what I'm trying to say. Losing Twitter isn't a big deal.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 45 minutes ago (1 children)

yes... because businesses are more important than democracies....

you know, not that long ago these coverless books existed that came out every day. they had stories, news, even comics in them. and you know what? they even had advertisements in them!

social media is a convenience to business. government is not a social convenience.

[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 1 points 35 minutes ago (1 children)

Businesses are the ones that produce food, medicine, clothes, build houses, print books, provide gas and electricity, build roads, etc. There are businesses that have outlasted monarchies and democracies. I'm not a corpo schmuck but small businesses are the soul of the soul of our society.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago

People ~~Businesses~~ are the ones that produce food, medicine, clothes, build houses, print books, provide gas and electricity, build roads, etc. There are businesses that have outlasted their usefulness ~~monarchies and democracies~~. I'm ~~not~~ a corpo schmuck ~~but~~ and culture is ~~small businesses are~~ the soul of the soul of our society.

there, I fixed it.

the purpose of any business is to be profitable, otherwise it's a charity. businesses have zero philanthropic goals.

people make a business profitable. People make the products and services. People consume the product.

no people, no business.

no government, no people, no business.

don't let greed cloud your judgement.

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 28 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

See it more like "preventing a website whose owner refuses to comply withEuropean law from operating in the EU".

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[–] maplebar@lemmy.world 29 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Corporate nationalist social media like "X" (American oligarchy) and TikTok (Chinese oligarchy) are a danger to the sovereignty and stability of the Western world.

[–] KreekyBonez@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

and the reddit Russian psy-op? certainly not helping

[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 82 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Ah change.org the platform best known for not changing anything ever.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 21 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Yeah, but they're great at discharging the righteous indignation of people who might otherwise do something extreme like going on demonstrations or start campaigning for non-"moderate" political parties.

This way people just put their personal data next to a meaningless and powerless piece of text on a website alongside that of other people, get the feeling of release after having done something about what pisses them of, and won't do anything further about it.

Petitions are the single greatest invention of the Internet Age to keep the masses dormant (Social Media would've been it if, it wasn't that, as the far-right has shown, it can be used to turn some people into activists).

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 41 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Op, if you want to submit a petition to the EU, you should use their portal https://www.europarl.europa.eu/petitions/en/home not change.org

[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 83 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

Everyone who signed the petition should close their Twitter accounts. And write their newspapers that they would cancel their subscriptions if the articles quoted or embedded tweets. I didn't sign any petition, and I'm already doing it. Well, sort of. I didn't have any Twitter account ro close.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Maybe not quote, but embed. They should still quote noteworthy things on there, but don't force us to interact with the site

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 38 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

Let's at least block the government agencies from using it in favor of open platforms and protocols to communicate with its citizens.

At least give me some good ole RSS in the backend, and they could host their own Mastodon instances that people can subscribe to from other public instances.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 17 points 19 hours ago

Let's at least block the government agencies from using it in favor of open platforms and protocols to communicate with its citizens.

Yeah. When public services solely use Xitter or Facebook pisses me off. We can and should make that shit illegal.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Germany did this years ago. Their government hosts a mastodon instance for various agencies

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 points 3 hours ago

Watch the next government go back on all of that.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 45 points 22 hours ago (8 children)

As much as I dislike Musk, expansion of the great firewall of Europe seems like a bad idea.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 19 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

+1

They should discourage institutions from using it (and use government Mastadon instances of course). This is honestly long overdue.

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

Yep they should keep fining him exponentially till he leaves (he obviously will never fall in line with EU rules)

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[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

Eh, BlueSky seems to be actually gaining some traction now, enough so that celebs and brands are jumping ship, so maybe just give it a few months and let it rot.

[–] regdog@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

Don't let the garbage sit until it rots. It will attract flies and possible more garbage.

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[–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 16 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Block? No.

Ask public law institutions to not use it. Maybe.

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 16 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

I'm glad they at least name mastodon and not bluesky as an alternative.

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