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Honestly call or email the Democratic party offices and voice that you one hundred percent agree with Sanders.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago

Cunt... the American unfriendly version.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 days ago

Where has this version of Bernie been for the last 4 years?

[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 311 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (21 children)

I'm not upset Bernie was criticized - no one should be above a good-faith critique and ideas should be judged on merit as opposed to who says them. The reason I disagree with Pelosi is that I think Sanders made some damn good points, and if the Dems don't listen they are going to fail again.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 150 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Pelosi is a piece of shit whose career should have ended in jail for insider trading decades ago.

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 54 points 4 days ago

As a Democrat, even I’m sick of Pelosi’s shit.

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[–] morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com 45 points 4 days ago (1 children)

... if there are any more elections

[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago

Oh there’ll be elections. Just like Russia has elections, and Cuba.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 189 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Pelosi's attitude is a big reason why

She believes voters work for her and need to do what she wants or she scolds them, afterwards they'll listen.

Bernie believes the best way to get elected is to show voters you'll help them.

One method is very effective, it's just foreign governments, billionaires, and corporations pay a lot of money to make sure candidates like that never make it out of a primary.

If an elected official put the average voter first, where does that leave the wealthy?

Not first? Completely unacceptable, Thurston get my mink we're leaving.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 84 points 4 days ago

Bernie is one of the few remaining politicians in our country who are in politics as a service vs a career. I wouldn't be surprised if after every time he gets elected he consoles himself, "this'll be the last time you need to run, this is the cycle where we'll fix American politics and you can go back to your dream of opening an ice cream shop."

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 143 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The Pelosi interview is honestly batshit insane. She doesn't see the election as a rejection of the party, thinks the Democrats are doing well, Kamala Harris did everything right, Sanders is wrong, and then she made some backhanded comments about how Biden should have dropped out earlier. I know some of that is spin she that she has to say, but it's still deeply out of touch.

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 120 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Kamala Harris did everything right

She presented her message of 'vote for me to keep things the same' flawlessly. Unfortunately, people who live paycheck to paycheck don't want things to stay the same.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago (3 children)

They're looking forward to wishing they were able to live paycheck to paycheck...

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 45 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Lord knows you're looking forward to watching people suffer just so you can lecture harder.

Scolding voters into voting for someone who represents no deviation from an untenable status quo has failed, very publicly, twice. It doesn't matter how bad the opponent is. This strategy is shit. Stop using it. Learn, damn you all. Learn.

I voted for Harris.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Me too and I wasn't saying that I'm looking forward to it....I'm saying the economics are going to be horrible and we're going to long to these times back.

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[–] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, fuck Pelosi. Completely out of touch. I wish we could ride ourselves of these dinosaurs.

[–] 01011@monero.town 99 points 4 days ago

So long as she can keep trading on insider information I seriously doubt that she cares.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 89 points 4 days ago (6 children)

"do you really think that the Democratic party is going to the mat… and fighting for you?"

Forget about me, or the working class, the Democratic party doesn't actually fight for anything.

2000 election stolen in Florida? Ho hum, oh well... we'll get 'em next time! (2004 election stolen in Ohio...)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa

https://www.wired.com/2008/03/the-mysterious/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republican-it-guru-dies-in-plane-crash/

You rightly nominated a Supreme Court Justice but the Senate refuses to give them a hearing? Oh well! Guess we'll just have to win the 2016 election...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_nomination

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[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 69 points 3 days ago (19 children)

Unfortunately his whole political career has been the democrats telling him he’s wrong as they continually shoot themselves in their collective dick.

I, for one, will be writing in his name, voting third party or not at all until they give me a genuinely progressive candidate. Until then, fuck them, and fuck this country.

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[–] JBar2@lemmy.world 67 points 4 days ago (9 children)

The Republicans are doing zero for the working class other than lying to them and giving their money yo billionaires.

Dems supported unions where Trump impugned them

Dems forgave student loans, Republicans went to court to stop it

Dems pushed to end noncompetes for the average worker, Republicans went to court to stop it

Dems passed the CHIPS act to bring good paying jobs to multiple communities

Dems passed an infrastructure bill while Trump had 100 infrastructure weeks that accomplished nothing

Trump said he'd fire workers rather than pay them overtime

Harris promised to investigate price gouging, Trump is supported by the oligarchy

Etc, etc

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 77 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Which indicates that policy is secondary to messaging. On every substantive policy metric, Democrats are better than Republicans. People even say they prefer Democratic policies over Republicans' when polled, by wide margins. So it must be the messenger and the way the message is being conveyed that is losing elections. That's not to say that policies don't matter, they absolutely do, but if you've got great policies and shit messaging, then you're not going to win voters over, no matter how much better you are.

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[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

All of those things you posted sound good, but if you look at the details and execution, it's either a pathetically laughable attempt or something they should have done 3 years ago.

Prosecute companies for wage theft.

Start splitting up monopolies at the beginning of your presidency or vice presidency, not at the end.

Don't destroy the train union and then pretend that you're pro-union because you went to one picket line. And as I recall, it was Joe who went.

When you push for non-competes or you push for student loan forgiveness, and the Republicans find legal ways to stop your efforts, find other legal ways to continue your efforts. If you just shrug your shoulders and say we tried, but we couldn't make your lives better, of course nobody is going to think that you meant a word you said.

The Democrat said 4 years to deliver, or at least to show that they tried very hard to deliver, and they chose to do neither of those. Which is sad.

And if Harris is telling us what she wants to do in the future, we're immediately going to ask why she and Joe didn't already do it in the past. When we don't get an answer, we just shrug our shoulders. It's more of the same from Washington politicians. Democrats in Washington certainly represent somebody, but that somebody isn't you and me.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

And if Harris is telling us what she wants to do in the future, we’re immediately going to ask why she and Joe didn’t already do it in the past.

I'm very much on the "Dems fucked this up train" but you're getting really close to this, which is also true. Because maybe the answer there is "You saw him up on that debate stage right? Or "You know I'm VP, not P right now, right?"

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[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 64 points 3 days ago (3 children)

No Nancy. You and your DNC are wrong and that is why you lost the presidency, senate, and house.

Fake party.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 55 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Honestly call or email the Democratic party

Do it because it will be cathartic, but don't do it expecting them to listen. Progressives need a new tack if we're actually going to save humanity from ourselves. (Spoiler, we probably won't)

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Shes nodding to the corporste over lords. She's saying:

don't worry, we will never betray your riches kisses feet we will fight for your continued market dominance and wealth inequality

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[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 41 points 4 days ago

Well I don't respect Pelosi, so I feel like we've got balance here

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 41 points 4 days ago

It is a rare moment when you can pinpoint issues that Bernie Sanders was on the wrong side of, even with the benefit of hindsight. Because of that, I have more faith in Bernie Sanders' wisdom than any other politician at the moment.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 34 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'm not American, and I can't vote in US elections. Bernie Sanders is one of few US political figures that I respect the opinions of.

I don't know what Pelosi is smoking, but it has to be some good shit.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago

She's smoking corporate cock, just like the rest of Congress.

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