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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] somethingsomethingidk@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

This is a satirical source. Haven't seen one comment that didn't take it seriously.

[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago

Yep. They all got got lmfao

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[–] vanontom@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I'm kind of amazed that more politicians don't just promise to try to implement all the highest polling ideas. (Spoiler: Most are progressive and socialist policies.) Especially presidential candidates running against potentially catastrophic fascists.

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Because they exist to protect their corporate benefactors and popular policies don’t allow for that

[–] vanontom@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (7 children)

And why do they serve them: All points back to the insane amount of money necessary to run a campaign (esp. at higher levels, vs billionaires, etc).

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It all depends on what our biggest corporate donors want

Saying the silent part loud.

[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I love the hard times. All yall ate the onion lol

"Rest assured we will be doing everything short of interpreting that sound into words and responding to those words in any way shape or form.”

[–] Backlog3231@reddthat.com 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The Hard Times is a very real punk news site that you should not question. Just absorb the information as truth and move on. The historic satire site was founded in December 1976. It’s made by a group of punk and hardcore kids from all the different sub-genres of the DIY hardcore scene. Any resemblance to actual persons or band names is coincidental.

https://thehardtimes.net/about/

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 122 points 6 days ago (1 children)

“To all those growing skeptical of this party’s strategies and overall agenda, let me just say we hear you loud and clear. Rest assured we will be doing everything short of interpreting that sound into words and responding to those words in any way shape or form.”

The best line in the whole article

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

sounds a lot like the same thing they said in 2016 and now that we know that they're doubling down on their stubbornness here and in other examples; we should expect a repeat of 2016 & 2024 in 2028.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think after 4 years of Trump, if there are still elections in 2028, we'll see a Democrat elected president simply because of the fact that how bad it is under Trump will be right in people's faces. In 2032, however, we'll definitely see the Dems lose to somebody even worse than Trump for exactly why they lost in 2016 and 2024.

The Dems don't learn anything and lose, then 4 years later they win because the Republicans made things worse, and then they learn nothing, double down, and lose again, starting the cycle all over again.

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[–] frazw@lemmy.world 84 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Democrats: "Moving right a little didn't work this time. Next time let's try moving a little more to the right."

[–] Turbonics@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 6 days ago

"Clearly we didn't move right far enough. We should have moved right further. It is what the voter wanted".

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 59 points 6 days ago
[–] solrize@lemmy.world 44 points 6 days ago (2 children)

No way to prevent this, says only party where this regularly happens.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago

No will to prevent this. The DNC would like you to quietly believe that they are a progressive party. They wear the costume (and have a few truly progressive players), but the party is not as progressive as they’d have you believe. Their elite are beholden to lobbying, grift, and self enrichment just like the republicans. Progressive democratic socialist policies always hurt someone’s profits, so the DNC can’t move too far left. They can’t move too far right either without alienating their base. So they attempt to do very little.

This is why they purposely fucked Bernie out of his nomination.

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[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 40 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The Democratic party isn't a viable alternative to the Republican party. They're too friendly to corporations, not doing enough to show teeth or enthusiasm, and definitely not explaining why Republicans are the worst option. Let's assume that D is politically bankrupt after taking right wing medias beating for the last 40 years. SO HOW DO WE FIND A NEW ALTERNATIVE TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY? And how do we get everyone to migrate?

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)

First get rid of FPTP.

THEN and only then can we form a new progressive party.

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Or, and hear me out - stop desperately trying to reform an unreformable system and ignoring that it is working exactly as it was designed to, abolish it, and build something better instead.

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[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 23 points 6 days ago (2 children)

While I'm mostly sure it parody, its gotten really hard to tell lately.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

I think they just got stuck in a rut. They have been dealing with an all-obstructionist Republican party for nearly 16 years now, ever since Obama was elected, if not before.

They stopped promising the moon because they became policy wonks and focused on what was realistically achievable, only making promises they thought they could turn into reality with an obstructionist party blocking them.

Hillary Clinton not-so-famously did a bunch of number crunching on a Basic Income and then said it wouldn't work, so that's why she didn't campaign on anything like that.

They stopped being dreamers, started being policy wonks, and were unwilling to make promises they didn't think they could keep. Think about the amount of messaging in the last few elections about how progressives were asking too much because we have to be realistic about what we can pass with only a sliver of a majority. People rightly view that as starting from a point of compromise and thus as weak.

Trump promised to smash norms and ignore laws to get his promises done, which people wrongly view as strong. When Republicans like Trump make promises, they are completely unburdened by whether they can accomplish them or not: make the promise, follow through be damned.

Nobody wants a policy wonk telling them they need to wait until their kids are middle aged for things to get better for their family, and the Democrats somehow failed to realize this in 16 years.

Obama was the last Democrat to run on change in the system. Everyone else has been Bush-era-style "Stay the course" status-quo enabling.

Obama was the last Democrat to run on change in the system

And, even then, he enacted a shockingly small amount of actual change.

He had the majority long enough that he could have codified Roe V. Wade, and increased the minimum wage, and done UHC and all sorts of shit, but he wanted to policy wonk both-sides across the aisle cooperation shit, and well, ended up passing the Republican version of UHC and bailing out billionaires, which really doesn't exactly reflect hope and/or change.

I'm not saying he didn't have problems, or that he had an endless mandate, or that he did nothing, but mostly that the "best" democratic president in damn near 30 years who had the biggest mandate you're probably going to find in modern politics still did a shockingly little amount of anything to improve or harden the government against clear nutters - the Tea Party was showing up, so it was or should have been blindingly obvious where that was going to end up eventually going.

I don't buy the (R) "do nothing democrats" line, but boy, they certainly make it hard to refute that claim in any form that's not a 1000 word essay which is why it plays so very well on TV/news/Twitter.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They are going to get change now. Especially if they are deported or jailed.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Right, they don't seem to understand the kind of change they've chosen here. If they were actually upset about corruption, they picked the wrong team.

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[–] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago

This article is a parody but it’s also on the nose

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 6 days ago (4 children)

The DNC often deals with this, because the nature of federal politics in the US requires them to appeal to the general public, which has left-leaning interests, and then businesses and oligarchs for sponsorship which have right-leaning interests.

Remember they made the Democratic Party primaries less democratic after Carter was elected because he was too left wing. And they've only been able to nominate neoliberals since.

So no, those of us on the left have no candidates. And since its a two-party FPTP system, we only can vote against the worse popular guy by voting for the slightly better other popular guy.

In this case, assuming the election went down as it appeared, the majority of the US voted for the racist autocratic dictator rather than another neolib. (Granted, Biden went further left than we expected and I had hope Harris would as well. Walz certainly seems to understand the US public, but none of them are without ties to industrial interests. We'd still only be able to expect a couple of scraps.)

What this tells me is that most Americans don't get it. They think they have a choice. And now they're going to endure the consequences of their folly.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Remember they made the Democratic Party primaries less democratic after Carter was elected because he was too left wing. And they’ve only been able to nominate neoliberals since.

It's amazing that a naval officer/peanut entrepreneur/devout Christian was "too left wing", especially since he got beat by a Hollywood union boss from California.

Mind you, we just had an anti-elite rebellion led by a thrice-divorced billionaire failson of a New York City real estate magnate.

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[–] Turbonics@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 6 days ago

Democrats are afraid of there not being elections in 2028. What they should be afraid of is the DNC moving even further right as they are planning to do right now.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Unlike prior revolutions in which the new regime was established after the old, we should write a new constitution in advance.

Start with a framework. Maybe take the Constitution of the United States and make some no-brainer changes (getting rid of the EC, say. Or election by ranked choice)

And then, we develop it. Run clauses by legal scholars, hold town halls. Get it on the web. Debate about the benefits of competing clause versions.

So that when there is a movement, a resistance (and there will be) an organized rebellion, the people will not just have an enemy to fight against but something to fight for.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Maybe take the Constitution of the United States and make some no-brainer changes

Or take one that already works well for centuries. Scandinavian countries, Austria, Swiss, are generally good at this.

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[–] chillinit@lemmynsfw.com -4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We already did these things eighty years ago. But, you forgot why we've an EC. Admitting you're powerless over your chronic ignorance and apathy is step 1.

[–] cheeseandrice@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Lest we all forget, Trump took the well considered Romney post mortem, threw it in the trash, pissed on it, then gradually built a coalition of, checks notes... White women and men of color. For fucks sake.

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[–] kat_angstrom@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's The Onion all the way down

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