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Thinking about this lately, especially in the context of the UD elections getting discussed a lot all over Lemmy.

If you look at the top 20 instances https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy

  • Lemmy.world and feddit.nl are Dutch
  • Lemm.ee is Estonian
  • Feddit.org, discuss.tchncs.de are German
  • SJW and lemmy.ca are Canadian
  • Lemmy.blahaj.zone, aussie.zone and Reddthat are Australian
  • sopuli.xyz is Finnish
  • slrpnk.net is Portuguese
  • lemmy.dbzer0, infosec.pub, mander.xyz, programming.dev, lemmy.sdf.org are thematic
  • Beehaw is USA-based, but defederated from LW and SJW and still on 0.18.3, so not sure they're even that interested in Lemmy anymore

Out of the top 20, there is Midwest.social and Lemmy.today but they are quite small (326 and 201 monthly active users).

On the other hand, a lot of other countries have their own instances

  • feddit.uk
  • jlai.lu
  • feddit.dk
  • szmer.info
  • lemmy.eco.br
  • feddit.cl
  • feddit.it

With the USA population and the Internet presence of the USA citizens, you would expect at least one large generalist instance based in the USA, but it doesn't seem to be the case.

Any ideas what the reasons might be? Is this just a coincidence?

Edit: for Lemmy.world:

The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed per the laws of the following countries and/or states:

  • The Netherlands
  • Republic of Finland
  • Federal Republic of Germany

https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 158 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I never missed a US instance because LW is so US focused I assumed it was the main one.

We don’t need a US instance, we need more users to support active local communities.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But then if any LW community are going to become US specific from now due to the political climate, should people not interested in that just move elsewhere?

Example: !nostupidquestions@lemmy.world , all the recent posts are about the US elections

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 week ago (9 children)

American culture has and likely always will dominate any general audience English speaking online community. It’s just a matter of population.

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 68 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think one reason has to do with digital sovereignty. Especially people in Europe are not happy with the dominance of US based social media sites and thus are more likely to invest time and effort into local alternatives. They are also more likely to be concerned about the near total lack of legal privacy protections in the US.

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ive seen a bit of chatter about not trusting US hosting providers. also, prolly more expensive (conjecture).

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Isn't Lemmy.World based in the US?

Edit: huh. Netherlands.

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I thought it was in Finland.

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Since they run their site through Clownflare, it looks like they are hosted in the US, but their server is actually in Finland (at least as far as I know, might have changed recently).

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Small correction: slrpnk.net is hosted in Portugal and not Germany, but we do have a German speaking admin and our founder is Italian.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago
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[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 17 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I think a part of it is that english is just the default language and strongly leans american already, so there's just no demand for a USA instance and people just use the popular or thematic ones for that content. There's no advantage in laws to prefer US hosting.

The country ones make sense because they're also a different language, like jlai.lu in french, and the feddits for European languages.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 week ago

I'm in the US and was specifically drawn toward European instance because my (admittedly very lightly informed) understanding is Europe just has better laws on internet freedoms. IIRC a US-based Mastodon instance (Mastodon maybe?) was seized by cops at one point for pretty questionable reasons. Our legal system gives far too much power to police and corporations to enact spurious searches and punishment.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 9 points 1 week ago

Feddit.uk, aussie.zone, lemmy.nz and other English speaking instances still exist

Good point about the laws.

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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

.world is more or less an American instance in all but name.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Which is ironic as the Ruud, the founder, is Dutch

https://fedihosting.foundation/lw-team/#org-chart

It always surprises me that !politics@lemmy.world is specifically US-only. Why not !uspolitics@lemmy.world?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I did not know that .world was made by a Dutch person. Thanks for teaching me something new.

.world seems to have been the default instance people went to when they left reddit. It's more or less than mentality imported into Lemmy. This led to the fact that creating a US specific instance is not necessary. .world fills that niche enough.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago

That's probably it

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago

If Lemmy and other fediverse discussion areas had developed slower and more naturally there might have been more of a country/instance symmetry, but anyone who was around when the Reddit implosion and migration happened knows that it was total chaos and a grab bag of where a new user should sign up. Lemmy and the rest were not ready for such a shift, and now that everyone's been in a place or two for a while, short of a closure or blocking or whatever there's no reason to move around to a matching country and instance, if there even is one. People mainly look for popularity, activity, themes, and engagement, and if that's found on the other side of the globe it works.

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[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

dbzer0 is only as thematic as ml is imo

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

For me it's the piracy instance, and I didn't mention ml, hexbear or grad as they aren't generalist

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[–] blibla@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

doesn't make much difference where your instance is hosted as long as it's not north korea or something

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