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[โ€“] zloubida@lemmy.world 245 points 1 year ago (48 children)

I find it mildly infuriating that people still buy on Amazon ๐Ÿ˜…

[โ€“] XbSuper@lemmy.world 157 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Convenience and cost, means amazon isn't going anywhere. You can spend more time, and more money avoiding them if you want, but don't be upset others aren't willing.

[โ€“] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 79 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Plus, even when you do find what you're looking for elsewhere, are Walmart, Target, and Home Depot really so benevolent? The odds of me finding what I need from a small locally owned business (at least in my area) are pretty slim.

[โ€“] suzyq@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know that feeling all too well. The small local grocery store is, at minimum, 2 to 3 times more expensive than Walmart, or even the Dollar General a block away. The local hardware stores aren't much better.

[โ€“] Stovetop@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is also my experience. Recent example, I can buy a 1.9L container of mayonnaise for $8.99 at Costco to make homemade potato salad for my grandmother's 95th birthday party. But I forgot to prepare until the last minute and realized I had no mayo, and so I went to the local place who charged $7.99 for 443mL of mayonnaise from the same brand.

Amazon sells 3.78L of mayonnaise (dear God who needs that much mayo?) for $18.70, making them not quite as competitive as Costco in terms of price per mL, but pretty damn close, and moreover still way better than the local place.

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[โ€“] sqw@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago

the big boxes can operate at a loss until they choke out the local guys. after that they have a monopoly and can do whatever they want.

[โ€“] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Increasingly I can't be confident what the quality level of products will be at those places. Amazon has huge counterfeit item and poor quality item problems that they don't care to fix. I know Target will have reasonable quality, I know if I buy a brand name product l, I'm getting that product. I know if I buy Walmart brand, the quality is lower, but not pure garbage. I currently get none of those guarantees on Amazon, even Amazon basics aren't safe from these problems.

[โ€“] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Definitely had issues with quality and/or damage, haven't gotten a true counterfeit yet to my knowledge, but I can at least partially attribute that to the fact that I almost never buy things that aren't shipped/sold by either Amazon or the manufacturer.

When I shop I usually search for something on Amazon, check if the manufacturer has a website & it is comparably priced, check if the local stores (Target, etc.) stock it at a fair price, and if all else fails I buy through Amazon (after checking CamelCamelCamel to verify I'm getting a good deal).

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[โ€“] Misconduct@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Then I decide I want to try and support a small business. So, I find a website for one that looks legit enough. So far so good. Find the product. Yep! Go to check out... $10+ delivery fee. I know that's not their fault. I do. But I'm not spending $20 on a $10 item that's just not reasonable. Sometimes it's fine to eat that cost if it's like a cart full of stuff with just the one fee but for a bunch of individual things that I can't get locally it doesn't work.

[โ€“] SuiXi3D@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fine, then Iโ€™ll be upset at people continuing to support a company that systematically abuses its workforce.

[โ€“] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd love to see the list of companies that produced all the various products in your house.

[โ€“] zloubida@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nothing's perfect. But that doesn't mean we should accept the worse.

[โ€“] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

But of course, and I'm not saying that. But I do think it's perhaps a little bold to actively criticize a stranger for having the audacity to do business with Amazon as if they aren't, for instance, using AWS-backed websites literally every day.

I'm not saying Amazon is good, but rather that hypocritically trying to call out people for failing purity tests that you yourself almost certainly don't pass isn't a particularly productive or positive use of one's time.

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[โ€“] QHC@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Are you referring to the concept of capitalism?

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[โ€“] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It shouldn't be on the individual consumers to avoid monopolies; we need antitrust enforcement; we need to break up Amazon.

[โ€“] zloubida@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It shouldn't be indeed, but unfortunately it is. We can't just hide our personal responsibility behind the State when the State is deficient.

Unfortunately, organizing on the scale necessary to defeat Amazon is damn near impossible. I think doing so politically is our best bet.

[โ€“] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Our personal responsibility is to make the State not deficient though, not a boycott of amazon.com or whatever you're suggesting. A boycott of even their digital and physical storefronts probably wouldn't even change much, since Amazon makes most of their profit via AWS. Something like 33% of all internet traffic goes through AWS in some fashion, so boycotting that is even harder. The only real option I can see is to make the State regulate them in some manner because all the people in the world can't fight a trillion dollar company themselves.

[โ€“] Tavarin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

There are certain things I can't get anywhere near me from anyone other than Amazon, and I live in a city of 6 million people. Sadly I need to use Amazon about once a month. Getting groceries from them is ridiculous though.

[โ€“] yata@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aren't there any online shopping alternatives to amazon? Are they really the only online vendor who is allowed to mail stuff to your 6 million people city?

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[โ€“] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not just about the monopoly though. Their site is rife with counterfeits and is basically Wish now. Want a GE lightbulb? There's a 50/50 chance you're getting a counterfeit that isn't UL tested so you don't know it's safe, and that's if you can even find the product at all hidden between the random name generator company listings for random garbage that's slightly similar to the search term you entered.

[โ€“] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And if there was a competitor that sold only legit products without having to compete with AmazonBasics (who just steals designs and sells them for a cheaper price) or from JSOIY (who also steals designs, and yes, I made up that name), people would use them instead of Amazon.

A monopoly enables this behavior, since there are no other options.

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[โ€“] Misconduct@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Don't even get me started on phone chargers. Good fucking luck. The cheap knockoffs are such a fire hazard too I stg

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[โ€“] priapus@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Genuine question, what better alternative is there? I put a lot of effort into buying from small businesses with good morals, but I have no idea how to do this for the things I would buy online. If I don't buy from amazon, i'm buying from target, Walmart, or some other supermarket. I don't see how those are better.

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[โ€“] Arseniste@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tyranny of convenience ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

It's also so much more expensive to buy from small, local businesses. Not everyone can afford to do that, no matter how much they hate buying from Amazon or Walmart.

I can order from amazon, or spend an hour in the car to go to a store and pay a higher price.

I'm buying from amazon.

[โ€“] Saneless@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It's been a last resort shop for me for the last year or so

If a place can't get me something in time, isn't available, or ultra expensive, I'll get it at Amazon

[โ€“] lingh0e@lemmy.film 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is faster to have 20 slaves in 20 different parts of the warehouse stuff 20 different envelopes than it is to have 1 single slave go to 20 different locations in a warehouse and stuff a box.

Their obligation is just to get the product from their facilities to your door. They don't give a shit HOW it gets there.

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[โ€“] EtnaAtsume@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While I will exhaust all local alternatives first, Amazon is my pinch hitter when I can't find The Thing anyplace else.

[โ€“] marciealana@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We've shifted the grocery past of our shopping to Thrive Market.

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[โ€“] TauZero@mander.xyz 74 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hate these bubble envelopes! They cannot go into paper recycling because of the plastic liner, and cannot go into plastic film recycling because of the paper wrapping. The two are glued inseparably together and can only go IN THE TRASH!

[โ€“] dan@upvote.au 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

They have something like "recycle me like a cardboard box" printed on them, and I've been putting the in my recycling :/ are they lying?

It honestly depends on your local municipality. Where I live they don't take anything but straight up hard plastic that is cleaned, and clean cardboard, cleaned tin cans. Anything else they don't process. And even then they're probably throwing out the whole truck of recyclables cause one dingus didn't clean out a can and it got tomato soup on everything else. Recycling is honestly a scam in America, especially once China stopped buying our waste years ago.

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[โ€“] LordShrek@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

they did it out of spite, to get you to stop ordering groceries from the internet, lol

[โ€“] Sarsaparilla@kbin.social 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There was like 12 packet pastas @ 85 grams each, 12 cans of spaghetti and baked beans. A couple of other odds and ends. All piled on my front porch when I arrived home from work today. The postman must've been livid.

[โ€“] Bonehead@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kinda sorta...while it's a lot to take to the door, it knocks off most of the packages off our list in one stop. I'm more upset when people order cat litter.

[โ€“] Sarsaparilla@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I put the packages in this box to bring them in, so I can imagine it would've been pretty frustrating going back and forth to the truck with handfuls of packages. I sure hope he forgives me. lol.
But anyway, why cat litter? Because it's heavy, or spills? I'm in Australia so online cat litter offerings are not a cost effective option, but I'll keep your protest in mind for the future.

[โ€“] Bonehead@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cat litter weighs a ton and must always be brought to the door. Really, anything heavy and bulky is just a pain. I'd rather take the 20+ little parcels to the door.

[โ€“] Sarsaparilla@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Oh no! I don't drive, so heavy and bulky is why I need most things delivered. ๐Ÿ˜…

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