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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 72 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Kamala Harris truly is Hillary Clinton 2.0.

Many of Harris’s mistakes were similar to those Hillary Clinton made in 2016. Like Clinton, Harris cozied up to billionaire donors. Mark Cuban, for instance, said he was delighted that Harris was abandoning Democrats’ commitments to progressive principles and letting the business community propose the policies it wanted. Like Clinton, Harris and Tim Walz made hubristic campaign stops in solidly red states like Texas and Kentucky rather than spending the final days laser-focused on crucial battlegrounds. Like Clinton, Harris emphasized celebrity endorsements while failing to successfully court unions. (Most notably, the Teamsters declined to endorse her after she refused to pledge that she wouldn’t break a national railway strike.) Like Clinton, Harris focused too much on the danger of Donald Trump (which is very real) and not enough on the reasons why she would be good at being president herself.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’ll just say that all the policies she proposed seemed entirely uninteresting to me. Credits for first time home buyers and something about building new homes seemed like her main talking point. This is great for all the people that don’t currently own a home and want to but does nothing for most people that also need help.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (9 children)

It benefits you by reducing homelessness and poverty in general. Holy fuck you guys are so self centered.

[–] rishado@lemmy.world -2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Do you really expect everyone to vote in the name of altruism? How naive can you be?

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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 day ago (5 children)

You're right that she was Hilary 2.0, but for the wrong reason.

It has very little to do with policy.

The difference between winning and losing was almost certainly just people who preferred a man over a woman as president. Whether they will say it or not, America is still not ready for a female president.

"In 2020, men were almost evenly divided between Trump and Biden, unlike in 2016 when Trump won men by 11 points."

This election, Trump won men by 10 points again.

Democrats have got the largest share of women's votes in every election since 1988.

Losing 10 points of the male vote isn't caused by support for Israel, or a lack of progressive policies.

This is the sad truth.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's the economy. They can scream the economy numbers are great but the people are feeling it differently at the grocery store, gas station, paying rent, etc.

[–] Blademaster00@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right, economy. Both candidates ran on fixing it. But one wasn't a black woman.....

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"It's broken because of Biden and she should have fixed it during the last four years." It's stupid logic but that's what it came down to for some.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 day ago

Women didn't buy that logic, but men did?

Harris won essentially the same percentage of women as Biden did, but lost entirely on the fact that fewer men voted for her (by a wide margin)

I'm pretty sure the simple explanation is right here, and it had nothing to do with the economy.

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[–] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 day ago

Democrats are not leftists, they're center right. I'm so sick of people thinking Democrats are going to fix this, protect that, and make things better. Democrats serve their corporate masters, and they'll make vague promises that they know they won't keep.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 30 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I really don't care, do you?

If people didn't vote for Harris it just means they are happy with fascists.

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I care because I'm not happy with fascists, and yet, due to others' apathy, ignorance, malice, or a mix thereof I have to live in a land ruled by fascists.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

Welcome to the club. In my country we have fascist in the government since '94. Lately an openly fascist head of government.

And that's because the majority of the people living in Italy simply don't go to to vote.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah at this moment I am not ready for recriminations and finger pointing. A bunch of people voted FOR that idiot criminal fascist and I'm reserving all my rage for them right now.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

No man, those guys will always vote R no matter what. The problem is the Dems not showing up because the candidate is a woman.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is what happens when anyone that warns someone is sick gets burnt at the stake as a witch.

When your own party is criticizing the candidate, you need to realize that 17 million more aren't going to put the effort into complaining, they're not going to hold their nose and vote.

They're just gonna stay home.

So when the politically active tries to warn the party, it would behoove the party to listen to it's base.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Trump vs Harris vs The Couch.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yep, Dems win by increasing turnout, Republicans win by depressing it.

So Dems campaigning on how great they are wins elections

Dems campaigning on how bad Republicans are only wins sometimes and usually only if the incumbent is a Republican.

Unless we make changes we're gonna switch to rotating every 4 instead of 8, and the moderate Dems allowed to make it to the general will never fix stuff as fast as Republicans can break it.

The current plan just isn't working.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unless we make changes we're gonna switch to rotating every 4 instead of 8, and the moderate Dems allowed to make it to the general will never fix stuff as fast as Republicans can break it.

If the next election doesn't have fuckery.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

If the next election doesn’t have fuckery.

People said that about this election and Kamala still conceded in less than 24 hours...

If we keep running these half assed opponents to fascism, there's more of a chance they try to steal it. Because they know moderates don't have the fight in them.

They just aren't worried about republican presidencies.

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Instead of saying that Harris or the dnc dropped the ball, consider that over half the voting population in the US chose a senile, white, male, racist, felon who increased your taxes unless you were rich and stole classified documents, that is chums with Putin.

Maybe instead of "the dnc dropped the ball" it could be considered that the slight majority of Americans are just racist, sexist, uneducated, short sighted idiots?

No one needed to know much beyond seeing how bad trump has been. There shouldn't have needed to be a "make Harris better" plan. America seen that trump shitbox and still chose him.

[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fucking seriously though. I can see the frustration with the DNC, but some form of action is a hell of a lot better than the total dismantle of America as it is right now. These people could have easily looked into Kamala's policies that show quite a few good ideas, and a few that I personally didn't jive with (increase child tax credits, while the people like me and my partner are staunchly against having children that will grow into a world on fire, get absolutely nothing). Didn't stop me from voting for her though, you know why? Trump has NO plan (GOOD plan, they've got PLENTY of bad plans lined up for us all!). AT ALL. So, America's idiots STILL chose this orange buffoon, with no plans at all, just sparkly words, and now we are really sitting here and trying to blame Harris, who only had 107 days to get her message out there? Come on, Lemmy. I thought you were better than this...

[–] poke@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The government allowed lies to be told on TV and on the internet under the guise of news. There were no real consequences to those who had listeners and repeated foreign government talking points for money. We have not seen any real investigation on how much interference was ran on social media.

Nearly every human being believes that they are a good person making rational decisions, so its important to examine the environment around these people to where they can believe they made the right choice when it comes to electing Trump and sadly, it seems our mostly unregulated free speech that let it happen, because the republican party is more organized and effective in communicating their platform and slandering their opponents than democrats are, and they motivated more people to vote than the democrats could as a result. Anger and hate are strong emotions and motivators, and unfortunately the republicans keep on using them and it keeps on working.

I have no idea what you're blaming Lemmy on, if anything I'd expect the userbase here to be more active and left-leaning voters than average. People have a good reason to be frustrated, and I think pointing that frustration at the only alternative option we had for a political party failing election after election to learn how to communicate and how to deliver on what the people really want is a reasonable take.

[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The government allowed lies to be told on TV and on the internet under the guise of news. There were no real consequences to those who had listeners and repeated foreign government talking points for money. We have not seen any real investigation on how much interference was ran on social media.

I agree.

Nearly every human being believes that they are a good person making rational decisions, so its important to examine the environment around these people to where they can believe they made the right choice when it comes to electing Trump and sadly, it seems our mostly unregulated free speech that let it happen, because the republican party is more organized and effective in communicating their platform and slandering their opponents than democrats are, and they motivated more people to vote than the democrats could as a result. Anger and hate are strong emotions and motivators, and unfortunately the republicans keep on using them and it keeps on working.

I agree.

I have no idea what you're blaming Lemmy on, if anything I'd expect the userbase here to be more active and left-leaning voters than average. People have a good reason to be frustrated, and I think pointing that frustration at the only alternative option we had for a political party failing election after election to learn how to communicate and how to deliver on what the people really want is a reasonable take.

I'm basically pointing out how senseless some of these comments have been, on almost every single post about either Harris, Walz, or the DNC. The biggest problem this election, that we know of as of yet, was the absence of votes, and white men and women, Latino men and women, voting against a women of color.

The people here may be left-leaning, or at least say they are, but they have nothing but shit takes trying to blame Harris for a shit campaign. They actively chose to allow a fucking criminal to determine the future of their country. It is really quite a take, considering that she actually had policies, told you where to find them, and was CONSTANTLY berated on interviews and shit. Trump got softball questions, and no matter fucking what, he always got away with every single stupid and evil thing he did or said.

Crazy.

[–] poke@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Also completely fair, I'll shake hands with you on that.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

You realize that you need people to have children if you want to keep having a doctor or firemen or farmers and so on? Child credits benefit you even if they don't go in your pockets directly.

You're the exact type of person that prevents social programs from being implemented, if it doesn't benefits you directly then no one should get the benefits.

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[–] hmonkey@lemy.lol 10 points 1 day ago

Anyone who didn't bother to choose Harris deserves Trump. Enjoy!

[–] Nyciferi@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, the American People have failed us.

[–] mattw3496@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago

It's both. Yeah, Americans continue to be unmasked as racist and all, but the DNC absolutely shat the bed here as well.

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