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Bernie Would Have Won (www.dropsitenews.com)
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[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 86 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (5 children)

He's right. In a declining capitalist state like the current US, workers want change. In the absence of a genuine working class party that correctly blames capitalism and the capitalist class for a revolution, you get a "radical" capitalist-funded party that at least points the blame at someone — marginalized people.

The dems only offer to preserve the status quo, and no one fucking wants the status quo.

Get organized. Liberal democracies in the imperial core historically always slide to fascism.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 12 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

While it's good to hear him say it now, I'm very annoyed that he didn't attempt to hold Dem feet to the fire while they were in an election, and could have potentially extracted concessions. AFAIK he's also still not calling the Palestinian genocide a genocide.

This is not to take away from the message that the democratic party must be destroyed and replaced with a working class (IE: Communist) party, which is correct, but merely to point out that Bernie himself cannot be trusted to lead it.

[–] TheVelvetGentleman@hexbear.net 5 points 1 hour ago

Brother is hurtling towards 90. I wouldn't trust him to lead a drum circle.

[–] rodolfo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Any example at hand of these liberal democracies that hystorically always slide to fascism? What does imperial core mean?

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Primarily referring to Germany and Italy's descent into fascism, and we're currently seeing this happen in France, and now in the US. These countries only see a shift to the left with an external force, like Scandinavian states giving concessions to the working class when the nearby USSR posed the threat of a good example — and by extension, the threat of a working class revolution; of course, these concessions are gradually being taken away now.

Imperial core countries refers to colonizer countries that now control financial institutions like the IMF and World Bank, and depend on the continued exploitation of former colonies.

I specify liberal democracies in imperial core countries because we have seen limited successes for the left outside it. Like Allende coming to power in Chile (before being overthrown in a US-backed coup 2 years later), or now Lula and Claudia coming to power in Brazil and Mexico.

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 minutes ago

It's an interesting ending to an otherwise fine comment. Bernie would slide the US towards liberal democracy, further from fascism

[–] RubicTopaz@lemmy.world 2 points 35 minutes ago

It's worth noting that "fascism" specifically is a eurocentric — or even more specifically a 20th century-centric — ideology. You could argue the US has always been "fascist", just that the fascism has been focused on people outside it — the countries it constantly wages wars on. Still a good way to describe the direction declining capitalist states are headed to, I guess.

[–] MrThompson@lemmy.world -5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Reread your post and then really consider if that rhetoric would get >50% of the vote. It’s just more academic jibberish that falls flat outside coastal cities.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 14 points 2 hours ago

That's not the message to voters, that's the message to thinking people who are evaluating the problem. The message to voters is much more simple. Point the finger where the blame lies, and tell the people what you'll do for them. Of course no serious funding will come your way if you try that though, since the corpos running the country aren't going to donate to a candidate who seeks to unseat them. There you see is the root of the problem. It's not a government of the people, by the people, unless you believe that silly lie that corporations are people.

[–] RubicTopaz@lemmy.world 5 points 21 minutes ago

The most relevant paragraph imo

Bernie’s coalition was filled with the exact type of voters who are now flocking to Donald Trump: Working class voters of all races, young people, and, critically, the much-derided bros. The top contributors to Bernie’s campaign often held jobs at places like Amazon and Walmart. The unions loved him. And— never forget — he earned the coveted Joe Rogan endorsement that Trump also received the day before the election this year. It turns out, the Bernie-to-Trump pipeline is real! While that has always been used as an epithet to smear Bernie and his movement, with the implication that social democracy is just a cover for or gateway drug to right wing authoritarianism, the truth is that this pipeline speaks to the power and appeal of Bernie’s vision as an effective antidote to Trumpism. When these voters had a choice between Trump and Bernie, they chose Bernie. For many of them now that the choice is between Trump and the dried out husk of neoliberalism, they’re going Trump.

[–] SSJ3Marx@hexbear.net 3 points 17 minutes ago

The failure that will forever define Bernie's political legacy will be not turning the energy that was behind him in 2020 into a more permanent movement. He just gave the phone bank and email lists to the Dems and fell in line.

[–] tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

https://youtu.be/moNHfeBJ81I

Yup.