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Summary

Justice Samuel Alito, a self-described Originalist, has been criticized for allegedly disregarding the Constitution’s text when it conflicts with his personal views.

Recently, it emerged that Alito accepted a knighthood from a European order, despite the Constitution’s ban on foreign titles for U.S. officials.

This title, from the House of Bourbon–Two Sicilies, raises questions about Alito’s commitment to American democratic ideals, which the Framers aimed to protect from foreign influence.

Critics argue that Alito’s actions reflect hypocrisy in his supposed adherence to Originalism and constitutional principles.

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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 120 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

The key point here, not to get distracted, taking the title is trivial in the modern age. The title has little meaning to someone of today. The hitch is that Altito is a profound originalist. When he interprets the constitution he claims the text should be interpreted exactly as the founders explicited intented. All together, taking the title against the prohibition of the constitution acknowledges what his real intentions are. By claiming to know the framers exact intentions, something that is clearly unknowable, he can inject his own interests as he pleases.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

No, it is not trivial, it is a fundamental rejection of (small r) republicanism in the pursuit of personal vainglory.

It is also an aspect of Christofascism that you would, admittedly, need quite a lot of reading on development of the medieval concept of knighthood to pick up on even if modern elements are recognizable but the tl;Dr of it all is that knights as a separate and popular European political class are fundamentally linked to the "Crusader" archetype as an innately Christian warrior who does violence for the faith.

Whether Alito is aware of that specifically or not, and I wouldn't put much money on it as most people are rather surprised to find out even the earliest conceptualization of knight is actually more of a 10th century/Crusade thing than a Dark Age concept, I would certainly argue that that innately Christian aspect is at least subconsciously understood by Western society in general and I can say with certainty that 20th century fascist messaging was aware of it specifically and used it quite a lot.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 9 points 1 week ago

The specific group that knighted him, the Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George, is explicitly along Crusader lines.

https://realcasadiborbone.it/en/constantinian-order/

The Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George is an ancient and internationally recognised Order of Knighthood which, from its remotest origins, has resolved to work for the glorification of the Cross, the propagation of the Faith, and the defence of the Holy Roman Church, to which it is strictly bound through special merits acquired in the East, and for which manifold evidences of gratitude and benevolence have been expressed by successive Supreme Pontiffs of the Roman Catholic Church.

Alito knows.

[–] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

This seems like bad behavior to me, doing something explicitly forbidden by the Constitution. Given that the Constitution says a justice shall "hold their office during good Behavior", he should be terminated from his position of power.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So, he’s either a dumb azz or he is lying?

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He's lying. He's a traitorous piece of shit who should be executed thusly.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I hear Tar and Feathering traitors was all the rage back in the founding father days.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 117 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This has the added benefit of stripping Meghan Markle of her citizenship as well.

I really have no opinion of Meghan Markle but thought this was funny. It's insane that it'd be easier to ratify an amendment from 1810 which would impact a good handful of people to target Alito, than implement robust Supreme Court ethics reforms.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 12 points 1 week ago

The Australian woman who married into the Danish royal family had to renounce her Australian citizenship, so that would be fair enough.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 33 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Doesn't matter here. The Constitution (Article I, Section 9, Clause 8) bans public officials from receiving titles of nobility. Alito already falls under this. The writers of the Constitution thought this one was so important that it's not even an amendment. It's in the OG document.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago

that's fine, if he wants to be a knight he totally can. And it seems like he's made his choice so let him be.

Harris will be happy to appoint his replacement.

[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 57 points 1 week ago (13 children)

W.T.F.

The US needs to clean house, expand the SCOTUS to put these corrupt judges firmly in the minority so they're ineffective for the rest of their miserable life-long-unelected-terms, if it can't outright impeach them!

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[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Those were honorary knighthoods that generally mean nothing. OPs article claims that Alito pledged "an oath to the Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George." That is an entirely different thing if true. As the saying goes, a man cannot serve two masters. If he has pledged an oath to this order and the Constitution of the United States of America, which takes precedence in his mind?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 12 points 1 week ago

I'd certainly never accuse Reagan and a Bush of being Christo-fascist neocrusaders who innately hold anti-republican and anti-democratic ideals.

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Who the FUCK cares about the Constitution when it's used to do ANYTHING besides Defend a Gunman who Murdered a CLASSROOM FULL OF CHILDREN! I'm Pro Life btw :)

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You have no idea how hard it is to suppress the downvote reflex here.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty neat they could challenge the basis of government in a public forum without fear of retaliation tho.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Recently, it emerged that Alito accepted a knighthood from a European order, despite the Constitution’s ban on foreign titles for U.S. officials.

Oh no, my sealand and Scottish titles!

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't worry, just get rich enough to not have the law apply.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But my sealand title wiped my savings!

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 6 points 1 week ago

Run for president before the law catches up, its a sure to work.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Are you a US official, or just a dirty anti-American monarchist?

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just like spending money on obvious scams!

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[–] darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 week ago

Oh look a corrupt Republican appointment to the scotus. If only we had some method of preventing Republican presidents from making nominations to the supreme court...

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If we are talking emoluments,I am less offended by Alito taking a title than Trump spending over $135M of taxpayer dollars on various trips to Trump hotels. Nothing ever came of that, so I bet we know what will happen here.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

can he be kicked out for it though?

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

seems like the president has so much immunity for official actions that Alito accepting his knighthood should be an automatic empty slot on the court, Harris should appoint his replacement immediately so Alito can concentrate on his royal duties.

And when she does, she should point out the law, and Alito's dedication to originalist interpretation of said document.

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

With a 50% vote in the house and a 66% vote in the senate

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[–] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Rules for thee and not for meeeee, wheeeee

[–] RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

This title, from the House of Bourbon–Two Sicilies

Didn't that family go extinct some time after the Italian unification?

Not quite but they did sober up and stopped seeing double.

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[–] diffusive@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

For a bit of context: the house of Bourbon - Two sicilies has no land for 150 years. They used to rule the south of Italy but after the Italian “unification” (or conquest) they got kicked out and have no real power.

While this may still be a conflict of interest since I am pretty sure they are still filthy rich and they may have economic interests in the US. But there is no foreign power interference here since there is no foreign power 🙂

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

By the strict wording it's a violation because they absolutely style themselves as princes to a throne in exile.

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[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Any other CK3 players eyebrows up in this thread?

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

without Consent of the Congress. theres his out.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

No, that's actually extremely funny. Make them vote on whether or not he's french nobility. I need more Looney Toons C-SPAN coverage.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

Holy shit, Alexander Hamilton called it "Royal Prostitution". Sam Alito is a fuckin' Hooker, y'all.

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The $upreme Court is a complete joke and they did it to themselves

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

I’ll wait for his interpretation of the wording to know whether or not it’s unconstitutional

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