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[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I like the part that points out dolphins are more intelligent than humans.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 points 1 month ago

The only creature on earth smarter than dolphins are mice

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And according to new research, Columbus wasn't Italian after all but a Spanish Jew. Though it hasn't been peer-reviewed yet so it remains to be seen if it holds up to scrutiny.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And according to Spanish history, Columbus wasn't the one that did the enslaving. After settling and making a small base he returned with news and then the conquerors went for war, the most notorious figure being Hernan Cortez.

It's crazy the amount of Columbus hate I read on american websites and no mention of Cortez, who was way way worse.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Iirc Columbus did go back and do his share of abusing too though.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And was removed from his governorship because he was an evil motherfucker even by conquistador standards.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not by conquistador standards, conquistadors weren't a thing when he died. He was the Caribbean governor and conquistadors conquered the rest of americas some years after he died.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

1: Would you agree that the Spanish systemically conquered the Caribbean islands to establish the base of operations they needed to expand on the mainland?

2: What does conquistador directly translate as?

3: Was Columbus specifically removed because he was bad even by the other conquered islands' standards?

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yes. Conqueror. Yes.

I don't get if you are trying to be smug about it or whatever, but the "conquerors" were a specific warring campaign soldiers deployed to conquer the rest of america, specifically the Aztecs since those weren't "easy" to convert to catholicism given that they already had a religion.

You specifically said "conquistador" standards, which although it's an Spanish word that translates to conqueror, makes reference to a specific group that wasn't even formed when Columbus died.

Anyway, yes he was bad but I don't get why no fucking one mentions Hernan Cortez, who massacred waaay more people, and went with the intent to murder and dominate them from the very beginning.

Minor edit: he wasn't removed of his titles because he was bad/evil, the Spaniard crows didn't care about the murder of natives. He was removed because he became a tyrant of anyone who lived in the Caribbean, be it native or setter.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Mmhhmm.

Tell me when conquistador became an official title, and what, exactly, was different about the mainland conquests that means you should treat the armed butchers as a separate entity?

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Spanish name used in an English text has a specific meaning as fas as I know: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquistador

I really don't get why you are acting so passive aggressively, it's you who referenced them instead of saying "contemporary conquerors", "the crown" or whatever.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Happy immigrants and indigenous peoples day…

Alternatively central Ohio day, for those wishing to draw attention to the fact that the capital of Ohio would very much like a different name

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Its* native peoples

"It's" means "it is"

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Or you could just use the context, like any other homograph.

[–] diegooooooo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The colombian exchange made pizza possible, sooo...

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Just the tomato base really. There was still a lot of pizza-like food that predated the columbian exchange because I guess it doesn't require much effort to invent "bread with stuff on it"

[–] diegooooooo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

A lot of good pizza out there that don't use tomato as a base though. I love a good pesto pizza, and pesto uses all "old world" ingredients.