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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

batmanslap STOP INVENTING NEW ITERATIONS OF "DADDY WILL SAVE ME!"

THERE IS NO FUCKING DADDY. DO THE WORK YOURSELF.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 4 points 2 months ago

2 BIBLE 2 AI JESUS, TAKE THE WHEEL

[–] gedhrel@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

When the AI says, "turn off the fucking data centres, invest in public transport, apply progressive redistributive taxation," it'll be first against the wall no doubt.

[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As a large language model the supposed AI will recombine and regurgitate the most common language on the topic, I don’t expect any novel solutions just talk of solar panels, EV’s and wind turbines…

[–] gedhrel@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Right. This is Schmidt admitting he has a total lack of imagination. Or to put it another way, "I love life on earth, but I love capitalism more!"

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"oh no, the Basilisk is woke"

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 2 points 2 months ago

hang on the clear meaning of "it may be difficult to anticipate the value of money in a post AGI world" is "there will be an infinite supply of robot slaves who can do anything." what's this about redistribution of capital

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yep.

Something I wrote a year ago in proposed reply to someone online but decided not to post:

https://gerikson.com/m/2023/04/index.html#2023-04-30_sunday_01

[–] imadabouzu@awful.systems 2 points 2 months ago

It even works the other way! What if as the super intelligent all knowing super computer simulates everything, concludes you can get to the end by any means, and there is no meaning to rushing, ordering, or prioritizing anything more than would already be the case, and like the rest of nature, conserves on taking only the minimal action, and replies, "nah, you can walk there yourselves" before resigning itself to an internal simulation of arbitrary rearrangements of noise.

This would be insufferable to the people who believed in short cuts.

[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

They think they're going to build a god to save us all. In the form of a perfectly rational machine (in their view), the perfect authoritarian. A mysterious algorithm noone can understand that must be correct because it's made of mathematics. I'm a little freaked out.

[–] rook@awful.systems 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They’re rebranding American Christian milenaranism. Much like the second coming and/or the rapture, the AGI god will be here Real Soon Now, so please pay your tithes and trust that the church fathers are doing the right thing.

Much like the older cults it mirrors, it isn’t capable of delivering on its promises, but it is capable of doing substantial amounts of regular damage in the meantime, and that’s the only thing worth freaking out about.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Jesus 2.0 is an AI, and he's American

[–] cstross@wandering.shop 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

@dgerard I dunno if you've read it but one of the wellsprings of this lunacy is "The Physics of Immortality" by Frank Tipler (1997), in which an astrophysics prof tries to square the circle of cosmological expansion and the resurrection through simulation, outing himself along the way as a very conflicted Christian fundamentalist who is determined to torture relativity until he can derive Jesus ... https://archive.org/details/frank-tipler-the-physics-of-immortality/mode/1up

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 2 points 2 months ago

oh yeah

and for the present, just how incredibly many of the rationalist subculture turn out to be ex-evangelicals

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 1 points 2 months ago

Yes some sort of brainiac. Worked well for krypton.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 2 months ago

Second option they dont believe in the robotgod themselves but just think this is the way to attract more investors

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if this signals being at peak hype soon. I mean, how much more outlandish can they get without destroying the hype bubble's foundation, i.e. the suspension of disbelief that all this would somehow become possible in the near future. We're on the level of "arrival of an alien intelligence" now, how much further can they escalate that rhetoric without popping the bubble?

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand why the bubble still holds

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sunken cost for relative few people (investors). They need to push it until the public buys in, then they can pull out and pop it.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Haha the public can't even buy food right now

[–] kbal@fedia.io 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Right, so the plan is to spend 20 years and 40 petawatt hours building a machine to answer the Great ℚuestion of what we should do about climate change. If it works, the answer will be "you should've stopped burning fossil fuels twenty years ago."

[–] luciole@beehaw.org 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The model will just go "42" on and on and it'll be the first decent joke a neural network produces. It'll be worth it in a way.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 1 points 2 months ago

I could absolutely see an LLM telling us that 6 times 9 is 42 unless there's special tinkering to prevent it.

[–] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Oh no what do about all this waste heat?"

"Generate more waste heat"

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Repeat until a machine that can create God is built. Then it's God's problem.

But it must be a US God, otherwise China wins.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The US god will team up with the Chinese god and the Russian god to beat the crap out of us.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That's some proper out of this Universe, Narnia level thinking from Eric!

What's next? Climate Change will be solved if enough children ask it as a present from Santa Claus?

Or maybe something involving the Tooth Fairy. Eric seems like a Tooth Fairy guy rather than a Santa Claus guy.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 2 months ago

it's amazing how he spouts all this gibbering insanity in this calm rational-sounding engineer explaining things voice

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

The system cannot be reformed.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

So the same old CEO sentiment, profit over people.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Cyberpunk fantasy: corporations' top level hierarchy is full of greedy, soulless, ruthless, cold and calculist people

Reality: corporations' top level hierarchy is full of greedy, soulless people you thought only existed as satire in The Onion

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 1 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Where's that person who was arguing with me last time that AI doesn't actually use that much energy and the corps missing their climate goals was not AI related

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