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Intriguingly, as the date for the airing of the documentary has drawn near, a number of high-value wallets from the "Satoshi era" have become active for the first time since 2009.

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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 114 points 1 month ago (4 children)

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 67 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Not really, all it requires is someone to produce a signed message with one of Satoshi's private keys, which can be easily verified with the public addresses on the blockchain. Whoever produced that message can be proven to possess that private key. Nothing short of that would be believable by the crypto nerds.

If we presume that Satoshi understood that Bitcoin may be valuable one day and kept the keys private, that would mean that the signer really is Satoshi, or one of his associates or heirs Satoshi trusted wih access. Even if that person wasn't actually Satoshi, their word on who it is would be considered authoritative.

Unless it's Craig. Fuck that guy. Nobody believes him.

[–] jungle@lemmy.world 67 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is the extraordinary evidence being referenced.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ordinary claims require ordinary evidence, then?

[–] jungle@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, because it's an extraordinary claim.

[–] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

"Extraordinary" means outside the realm of ordinary. Signing a message is very ordinary

EDIT: Sorry I ment to say: saying "I own a key" is ordinary, and signing a message is the ordinary way to prove you own the key

[–] suigenerix@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Sure, anyone can sign with a key. Having THE key is the extraordinary part.

[–] jungle@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Saying you know who Satoshi is, that's the claim, and that's an extraordinary claim.

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"With great claims come great responsibility"

That guy from Spiderman, probably

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, that's the guy, I think.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I hate how this phrase has been abused so much. There's nothing particularly extraordinary here--we're not talking about bigfoot or aliens--and the whole point of a documentary like this is to lay out evidence.

[–] Baaahb@feddit.nl 3 points 1 month ago

Ordinary claims!

[–] snowsuit2654@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

Most people do not know who Satoshi is.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 90 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They don't know. and the documentary will be bigfoot level speculation.

[–] LunchMoneyThief@links.hackliberty.org 54 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's the twist. It was actually ₿igfoot who invented ₿itcoin, don't you see?

[–] Brickhead92@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bigfoot was paid by the Illuminati!

[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Exactly what Big Foot wants you to think, all so they can sell more Foot. Wake up sheeple!!!

[–] xodoh74984@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hal Finney, no?

The software engineer, cryptography expert, and cyberpunk who received the first ever Bitcoin transaction and had a neighbor named "Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto"?

[–] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

It's overwhelmingly likely to be someone none of us have ever heard of. If nothing else because that's the base rate. Also because someone nerdy enough to care about this stuff before cryptocurrency existed couldn't possibly have a life.

[–] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Did I miss it, or did the article not tell you who it (supposedly) is?

[–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 97 points 1 month ago

Well no, it's an ad for the doc.

[–] taaz@biglemmowski.win 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Guessing this is the one https://www.hbo.com/movies/money-electric-the-bitcoin-mystery
It hasn't released yet it seems, october 8. Though HBO does not seem to claim any of the above, I smell another flop.

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[–] johnefrancis@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the NSA or other intelligence org invented it and provides ongoing funding to collect an enormous library of SHA256 hashes to aid in reducing the decryption space of SHA256 so they can watch people watching porn.

[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

That's... that's a Pornhub category right? "Watching people watching porn" has got to be a tab on that site. It's sounds too much like a kink to not be a kink.

[–] johnefrancis@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

The NSA has many kinks. Watching people watch porn, precious bodily fluids/anti-flouride porn, that kind of thing. Good for them.

[–] megaman@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago

The nsa wants to watch people who are watching the pornhub video of someone else watching porn. The third level there is more difficult to find

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Watch geraldo rivera, as he finds out what's in Capone's safe!

(Yes, I'm old)

[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] socsa@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago

He's not the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy!

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago

[citation needed]

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

Are we doing this again?

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's truly not even a mystery.

There is only one person on earth who had both the skills and experience to create bitcoin, and actually was working to create bitcoin in the months leading up to the white paper.

That person is Nick Szabo.

[–] dgmib@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh please.

The evidence for Szabo is circumstantial at best. I’ll give you he has the skills and experience and was working on digital currency at the time.

But Szabo was just one of hundreds of people working on different ideas related to digital currency around the time Bitcoin was released.

And how many hundreds of people developed their own cryptocurrency after getting the idea from the Bitcoin whitepaper? Clearly he not the only “person on earth who had both the skills and experience”.

Not to mention Szabo has repeatedly denied being Satoshi.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

If it isn't Nick Szabo, it is somebody who has spent years ensuring all clues point to nobody but Nick Szabo, up to and including placing a Satoshi nakamoto statue in a rural Polish town where Nick Szabo's grandfather was born.

Let's just look at this logically: if you had written the 30+ papers building the ideas that eventually became bitcoin, actually were building bitcoin and months away from releasing, and then had all your work stolen without credit nor citation, you wouldn't be the world's biggest supporter of bitcoin. You would be mad that somebody stole your work and then spent years framing you for its creation.

The first usage of the word bitcoin was even on Nick Szabo's own blog, under a comment by the user Eddie. This leads to two outcomes: Eddie is Satoshi, or Nick's work wasn't stolen, bit gold is bitcoin and Nick is Satoshi.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Or it was likely not a single individual, but a government contractor. How else could a compartmentalized secret remain so for this long?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 39 points 1 month ago

A single individual is the most likely way to keep a secret compartmentalized.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The government sucks at keeping secrets despite what the conspiracy nuts say.

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago
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