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[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Perhaps if they made decisions like this more often in recent times there would be more people there when they do good stuff.

Edit: Cool to see someone botting this thread as well. I have now watched on three separate occasions someone vote up on mine and others comments only for a vote down to be applied within 10 seconds - 5 minutes in lockstep each time. This was in the first 15 minutes of the comment being posted.

2nd Edit. I've watched it happen 8 times now actually. I wonder what the odds are that over the course of ~2 hours there is exactly 8 people who agree and exactly 8 who don't who keep showing up within moments of one another.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 75 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

You mean like isolating cookies?

Like integration state partitioning for the entire browser context, user-controllable?

Like adding vertical tabs?

Like background wallpaper options for new tab independent of themes?

Like site translations?

Like working on tab groups?

Like working on tablet UI options?

Like .. okay I'll stop.

Like with red traffic lights vs green traffic lights, always keep in mind that your brain does not want to actively notice/recall things going well. It's when things are annoying/interrupting that you remember.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 20 hours ago

No, not like that! JUST LET ME BE HATEFUL FFS

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 18 hours ago

Like adding vertical tabs?

Having fucked an entire ecosystem of UI-modifying plugins, seven years prior. Still not matching the functionality of that decades-running, userbase-driven experimentation. I want my goddamn multi-row tabs back.

Mozilla doesn't get kudos for tiny improvements as if they cancel out huge blunders. Killing vertical tabs by killing XUL also severely limited DownThemAll, and they spent a year ignoring pleas from the guy that gave their browser and their browser alone the best download plugin to-date. He eventually managed to "just rewrite!" and claw most functionality back from Chrome's tightassed tool-kit. Most authors did not. Most authors had not, since the browser fucking launched. I can barely remember how much functionality I've lost, thanks to Mozilla refusing to respect plugin devs and formalize any lasting API. The best bits did come back, thanks to other authors who also missed those features... until they too burned out and fucked off.

But hey! Mozilla also made some clever tweaks inside the only software project that advertises their true passion for smartphones I mean chat I mean crypto I mean AI I mean $nextbigtrend, so it's squaresies.

[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

All I intend to say is that if I left when Mozilla thought it was a good idea to have an advertising company become involved in the development of their products and started tracking users without their consent (even if less invasively than cookies) with PPA, then surely I am not the only one who left.

This is a company that has previously sideloaded an extension into the browser without user permissions because of a marketing deal they made with a television show. As a result, I'm afraid im less concerned with the not-yet implemented features they may be working on or the features they have in place when there are a litany of other browsers available which don't fuck around with user permissions and privacy for advertising deals.

If I wanted a browser for tab grouping and UI stuff, I'd move to vivaldi, but at the moment firefox just doesn't seem to have the best UI or the best security and both of those are directly related to Mozilla's choices.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion and it is valid, but I think that my criticisms are also valid and are not baseless.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 12 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Oh for sure criticism is valid, but it's funny how people always forget all the actual good stuff being added, too.

In general, not just Firefox-specific. People constantly forget how while Google search results have gone to shit, empyrical analysis showed that it went to shit more for other search engines (meaning if anything Google got comparatively better, but of course everyone got worse across the board, too). People constantly forget over all their little issues how some countries, including mine, have swapped >50% of their energy (from ~0%) to green energy in just 10 or so years. It's too easy to see only the negative things.

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[–] Nobilmantis@feddit.it 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Isn't this the same as "Total Cookie Protection" that was released a while ago?

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 87 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yes and no, total cookie protection prevents cookies from loading from other sites, CHIPS is a new standard that makes it so that that is impossible* to begin with. (simpifying here but thats the idea)

*unless the browser allows it

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

my impression was that it was impossible already, because there was effectively a different cookie storage for every site

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

You can embed bits of a website in other websites, that's how 3rd party cookies exist

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

oh

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Privacy/Privacy_sandbox/Partitioned_cookies

CHIPS is similar to the state partitioning mechanism implemented by Firefox. The difference is that state partitioning partitions cookie storage and retrieval into separate cookie jars for each top-level site, without a mechanism to allow opt-in to third-party cookies if desired. As browsers start to phase out third-party cookie usage, there are still valid, non-tracking uses of third-party cookies that need to be permitted while developers begin to handle this change.

so this adds a setting to allow a site access to shared 3rd party cookies, when the site supports the feature?

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[–] disguised_doge@kbin.earth 118 points 1 day ago (14 children)

crazy how as soon as mozilla does good stuff nobody is there

We're all glad to see Mozilla have a win, at least I assume so. But there's been a lot of other much bigger decisions that have gone on recently that make us (at least me) hesitant to celebrate at the first good thing.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

On the more technical side of things they are doing excellent work, it's on the bike shedding department that the overpaid management is doing idiotic choices.

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[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Yeah it's like the fucking Goat thing. Mozilla fucked a goat and shocked that that's all people remember.

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[–] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 94 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The Mozilla foundation also granted some money to ente a company that offers Google photos replacement with end to end encryption.

[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Anyone used Ente? How is it?

[–] mac@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago (12 children)

i downloaded it after the news the other day. Presently uploading >200gb of pictures.

Android App has a few quirks, not very snappy, but it looks pretty polished.

The on device ML seems to be pretty accurate once you start tagging people.

We'll see how it handles me throwing the 200gb at it because it was already stuttering a bit when scrolling through ~15gb of pics.

I havent had the chance to spin up an immich instance yet to compare the two.

All in all, we might need to wait for a longer term user to chime in, but as of now to me it seems good enough.

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[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 52 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, that's how it works. If you do bad stuff, people leave. They are no longer around to notice if you do good stuff.

[–] maniajack@lemmy.world 30 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Lemmy sure loves a circlejerk about shitting on Firefox.

[–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 23 points 8 hours ago

I love my Firefox and no amount of downvotes could change that lol

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[–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 33 points 20 hours ago (4 children)
[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 37 points 19 hours ago

A mastodon, like an elephant, has a trunk it can sound like a trumpet.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world -2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (7 children)

it's like someone looked at the word tweet and thought "how can i make this infinitely worse?"... i hope it never catches on. I don't know why people want their posts and announcements to sound like farts.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

There is a bigger history on this. Involving the Mastodon developer Gargon and a famous YouTuber Hbomberguy:

https://mastodon.social/@Hbomberguy/146524

Gargon, at that time wasn't aware of the double meaning, as they where non-native English speaker.

It got changed back to "publish" relatively recent.

Personally I liked "toot" it was unique and funny. Many Mastodon-Users still prefer or use "toot".

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[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It varies from where you're from, where i am nkbody uses it (or even knows it refers to) farting

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

As far as I'm aware most instances no longer refer to them as "toots" and instead refer to them as posts. Likely because "toot" is used in some places to refer to farts.

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[–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 37 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The mastodon version of a post or, sadly, tweet.

It’s, uh, not the best name.

But maybe, just maybe, it more appropriately attributes correct value to a social media thing. ;)

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Most people these days refer to them as posts, toots is older Mastodon linguo.

[–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 4 points 16 hours ago

TIL - thanks!

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