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[–] febra@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Maybe there was a Ukrainian commander in there or something using the other patients in the hospital as human shields.

This is sarcasm obviously. Civilians should always be protected

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Real talk: I would be 100% ok with NATO IADS units being stationed outside of major Ukrainian metro areas and infrastructure sites (e.g. power plants, hospitals, etc). Russia would bitch and moan, but they won’t actually do anything. Not to mention, it would be a purely defensive deployment. But it would also free up a lot of Ukrainian assets for more aggressive action against Russia.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Absolutely I agree. The only reason Ukraine isn't in NATO was to be nice to Russia, in the hope of finding peaceful common ground.
Now that Russia has invaded Ukraine, despite promising not to, when Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons to Russia. There is no reason to show any considerations towards Russia, and we might as well help Ukraine end this on their terms.
Aiding in their air defense would be an amazing initiative IMO.

I think most NATO countries are coming around to that conclusion too, with Biden now stating USA wants to help Ukraine to win. AFAIK he has not said that so directly before.

I’m just kinda angry about the absolutely glacial pace, tbh. The lead up to the invasion was a masterclass in geopolitics. And the initial weapons grants were great and quite effective in terms of what could be given quickly. But dear fucking christ the degree to which Biden is tying Ukraine’s hands behind their back with all the fucking restrictions makes me kinda sick.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is a war crime, an attack on civilians. With the insidious plan of hitting people who came to help.
Russia is a terrorist state, that must be stopped.

EDIT:
I am downvoted on this comment, maybe by someone who doesn't know that double tap is in fact a strategy Russia is using, exactly to hit civilians coming to aid possibly wounded in the first hit.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 10 points 1 day ago

This is literally what the bad guys do in Russian propaganda films

https://youtu.be/ndd0BlDm0SQ?feature=shared&t=560

Russia is fully leaning into their war crimes now

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