Didn’t people’s lackluster interest in the first one and the pitiful sales numbers convey that we don’t really give a shit?
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It wasn't lack of interest it was a lack of money. It was an interesting product that I would have probably bought but was ludicrously expensive. I can practically pay off my mortgage for the amount they wanted
It’s $3,500. That’s the price of a specced up MacBook Pro. That’s almost half the price of the Pro Display XDR. I mean I didn’t buy one because it is pretty expensive, plus I barely use my Index, but it’s definitely not “pay of your mortgage” level of expensive.
Hyperbole is a thing.
In other the news it's still too expensive for basically anyone to buy which was my fundamental point which I feel like you're ignoring
I really don’t think they intended for everyone to buy it. I think they wanted to get it out into devs and enthusiasts hands, and let people who are interested but not!willing to spend that much money demo it in an Apple Store. They gives time for apps to get tested, independent devs time to port their apps over and iron out any bugs, etc.
I feel like the fact that the first one didn’t move even 100k units but they’re still working on a second generation one that will cost less proves that. That’s kind of what everyone’s being saying about this ever since the price was first announced.
$3,500 on a toy is not "pretty expensive", it's 3 months salary at minimum wage. It's 7 times as expensive as the Quest 3, which actually has a user base, and 11 times as expensive as the upcoming Quest 3S.
It certainly pays a couple of mortgage payments.
Bruh. Obviously. The person said pay off their mortgage, which is distinctly different from making a mortgage payment. Jfc.
Also, the Vision Pro isn’t outrageously expensive, it’s just expensive. It’s not even just Apple. MSI, Asus, Lenovo, Dell, and Acer all have laptops in the $3,000+ range. I don’t really understand what your point is really, there’s tons of shit that I couldn’t afford for the decade I made minimum wage, but that I can afford now that I make much more. I wasn’t mad those things existed when I couldn’t afford them, and I definitely didn’t think they shouldn’t exist just because they were out of my budget.
The price was definitely a primary factor, but it wasn't the only one. The Vision Pro is a bulky thing with a dingleberry on a string and many reviewers noted the uncomfortable headband situation. It, like may headsets, is also a royal pain in the ass to deal with if you wear glasses and/or need really specialized lenses.
But a really big factor was that it's an Apple product. Word travelled fast about how limited the software is and how you can't really do much with it. Apple is going to have a hard time selling these things until they crawl out of their own ass and actually let people use their products how they wish to. One of the biggest appeals of AR computing is how it bridges together computing with your imagination, and that doesn't really work when Apple says "no, you can't do that because it doesn't match our company vision"
Fix the Mac mirroring mode to allow floating windows/multiple displays, and make a cost reduced version that still has good resolution and is around the same price as two high-end monitors.
You could improve your desktop setup, and take your monitors with you on the go. I think there's a good usecase there. They just have to figure it out.
Personally I'm more interested to see what happens with Valve Deckard.
I maintain that VR died when Facebook bought Oculus.
You must not be a Harvard MBA in charge of Apple Marketing.
I imagine this will be priced in a similar way to a flagship IPhone or a macbook, as it sounds like it has similar processing power on board.
What is the use case for something like this? Who will be buying it once the novelty wears off?
Committed fans.
I mean, what practical use does AR have?
AR replaces all screens, buttons and interfaces with holograms. This can be a hologram with the shiny lines you see in many sci-fi, replacing laptop screens, fiddly little interfaces for gadgets, ... These things would also be great for designing stuff, teaching using proper models instead of pictures in a book.
Or it can be indistinguishable from real-life, such as having an empty paper book and have the AR glasses overlaying an e-book, such that it reads, looks, feels and smells like a classic tome. Weather predictions look like a note stuck to your door.
Then you have entertainment. That goes from table top games look like they are on the table, to running around outside casting fireballs and chain lighting.
Or it can be an ad riddled nightmare where everything you look at and your reaction is recorded and shared by corporations.
it ~~can~~ will be an ad riddled nightmare where everything you look at and your reaction is recorded and shared by corporations.
Yeah, the first app for AR should be one that identifies people that are in the list of business persons or celebrities and show their net worth over their head like it's a reward for a game. Then watch as bespectacled grimy folks start following the rich bastards around and AR is outlawed.
fiddly little interfaces for gadgets
You can already do that with an app.
The technology is definitely cool but unless they can significantly reduce the price it's just not worth it
For the everyday person, it replaces a big monitor/TV.
I know immersion yada yada, but it’s really for watching media, playing video games or taking a Pornhub break. Meta/Apple et al really missed the mark on their target audience and price points.
I could see using it if I didn’t look like a lost ski slalom racer. Like Meta’s new glasses, but not chunky and stupid. Like, if it looked like a normal pair of glasses. Identifying people, objects, reviews by just looking at a thing, those sort of things would be handy.
Apple Vision Pro? Nah thanks.
Spatial computing is arguably incredibly useful but all depends if people feel comfortable wearing it for extended amounts of time.
The first one was a cool tech demo, i suppose this one will be more an early adopter version but i don’t see the tech being mature enough to have people stop using a laptop.
People keep telling me it's useful but I literally cannot think of a single use for it.
I'd love a VR/AR headset to (mostly) replace my desktop monitors tbh. Love the idea of being able to have a 2 or 3 monitor setup without having to manage all those physical screens. Nothing is really "there" yet for me, especially for the price.
Other than that? I can't think of much, besides gaming.
I currently do this (mostly) with Xreal Air. There's also Viture, which has proven to be much more FOSS-friendly.
Can confirm I also do this with an xreal air. There's a great extension for gnome called Breezy Desktop that lets you mock an ultra wide monitor in the glasses and it's replaced my dual monitor setup. Still have to take them off every now and then due to VR nausea but I haven't used them too long, hope to move past the nausea.
I do wish I had gotten the vitures for the FOSS friendliness.
Just visited the Viture website, and it is abysmal. Product looks cool though.
Edit: its endless scrolling reminds me of those websites about some "totally effective protection against RF radiation" that's nothing more than a concrete block with a blinking LED.
Yeah... I absolutely loathe their website. I'd say "abysmal" is generous when one is trying to find specs or the like.
I agree. This was a shot to the past, when sites thought that people gave a crap about CSS magic, when, in reality, all we wanted was a usable site and not an art exhibit. This site seriously eroded my interest is buying the product at this time. If they can't get this simple, basic thing right, what's wrong with the actual product; what are they hiding behind the CSS art?
I don’t see how we can ever get to this point without solving vergence accommodation conflict, which even Apple seems not to have a plan for. I truly don’t understand the money pouring into AR tech at this point in time.
Narrator : It didn't
I just hate all their separate OSes. I'd buy an iPad pro if it ran osx. I'd buy this thing if it ran osx. I'm not buying a powerful $3k computer that can only run apps.
Have an app mode and desktop mode akin to the steam deck. It’s so nice
Apple doesn't have AI in their products. No. No. AI is lame, over hyped, and consistent under delivers, not even going to mention the ecological impact. They have Apple Intelligence, which... look, I know how it sounds, but Apple promises that it's not AI.
Oh wow I can't wait to strap a hallucination machine to my face
"We have a strap-on hallucination machine at home"
The strap-on hallucination machine at home: https://www.instructables.com/DIY-Ganzfeld-Goggles/
Good -- is it $10,000 now instead of only $5,000?