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[–] menemen@lemmy.ml 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Reading about it I am not completly convinced that he is innocent, but I think that there is 100% plausible reason to doubt that he is guilty. This should defintly be enough to stop an execution.

Edit: Maybe read the whole statement before getting a rage fit? I said he shouldn't have been killed. I am also not moderate and (according to US standards) I am apparently not white as a muslim turkish person.

[–] Backlog3231@reddthat.com 12 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It doesn't matter if he did it or not, honestly. If the state can't be 10000% certain the person they are about to murder is guilty of a heinous crime then it shouldn't be possible to fucking murder them.

This isnt about innocence. This is about the state denying this Black Muslim man due process and constitutional protections.

And on that note, its impossible to prove guilt in these cases, which is why the death penalty needs to be abolished. Are you comfortable with the idea of bring executed for a crime because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Because I'm sure fucking not.

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[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (16 children)

Reading about it I am not completly convinced that he is innocent

After the reams and reams of verifiable miscarriages of justice against Black people, after 160 years of carceral slavery being the law of the land, after 50+ years of the school-to-prison pipeline disproportionately affecting Black people, you still trust the settler's 'court of law'?????????

That'd be laughable if it wasn't so damn typical.

carceral slavery

legal prison slavery* (for those of you who don't know that word)

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I think there's an interesting phenomenon where even white normies understand how demonically racist the American institutions are. Ideologically committed racists don't, but everyone else sees at least part of it. However, because this only gives you a negative assertion (don't trust what the courts say) and the isn't really a normative, absolute system we can trust in the absence of any reliable rulings from the hegemonic institutions, we're just left with a wide space of viable interpretations of reality, which lets people get off the hook for assuming reality must be close-ish to what said racist institutions uphold. That closeness between imagined reality and the reality white supremacy wishes to impose is what allows for people who aren't ideologically committed racists to passively accept the brutalization and murder of marginalized people. "Oh, I can't support those cruel acts, but the sad reality is they probably didn't happen for no reason either" is the refrain of the embarrassed white moderate.

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago

The cruelty truly is the point.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 10 points 2 days ago

This is not justice

[–] philo@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The last thing I will say on this topic is that the US is divided on abortion rights. Only 14 states have total abortion bans since Roe vs Wade was overturned and I doubt anyone here would be foolish enough to claim that those states speak for the entire population of the US. Yet when it comes to the execution by the state of Missouri of a black man, suddenly, that lone state speaks for an entire population of 330 million people.

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