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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Huh. I feel like I recall that “95” as a “70” in the disconcertingly recent past.

Wheeeeeee hypercapitalism 😑

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

came here to comment just this.

it couldnt have been earlier than 2016 that this number was close to 60%.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 4 points 6 hours ago

COVID did wonders for the wealth concentration of billionaires... Mom and pops close down, billionaires can ride it out and if anything made profit.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

'Global Oligarchy' Reigns as Top 1% Controls More Wealth Than Bottom 95% of Humanity

Excellent wording.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The swine have gorged their fill

Three thousand masters,

all demanding their till

They'll call us savages

Cause we eat what we kill

[–] Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Very nice. Is that a quote from something, or you come up with it yerself? (Yes I Googled it, but that doesn't turn up shit these days.)

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I mashed it together from some Fit For An Autopsy songs. Every lyric they write just slaps with the times.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (15 children)

FYI (and I expect to be downvoted because y'all don't want to hear this), but when an article talks about the "global 1%" it's probably talking about YOU.

Yes, you. And me. And probably most of the people reading this, who live in the US or another Western country and consider themselves "middle class." WE are the global 1%.

From https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/9/15/23874111/charity-philanthropy-americans-global-rich :

If you earn $60,000 a year after tax and you don’t have kids, you’re in the richest 1 percent of the world’s population.

Also, if you prefer to measure by wealth instead of income, that's lower than you think, too. I'm having trouble finding a more recent figure, but as of 2018, the threshold to be considered global 1% in terms of net worth was only $871,320. No, didn't typo: it really is only hundreds of thousands, not millions or billions.


(The billionaires are more like the 0.01%.)

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 24 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

This is some wild reverse temporarily embarrassed millionaire bullshit right here.

No matter how many times you repeat this responsability shifting nonsense, it won't ever make the people earning 60k responsible for what billionaires are doing.

Maybe visualising the scale of the numbers being discussed will help you see what a joke your comment is.

(E: fixed link)

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 hours ago

Yes, billionaires are bad, but so are you.

You are just butthurt to find out that you are part of the 1% problem.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

That "study" is a charity trying to guilt people into giving money. When you adjust for PPP it becomes quite a different story. The media loves it because it drives clicks but it's literally just a calculator to guilt you and a list of approved charities.

This is what Oxfam has to say, from the actual article.

The immense concentration of wealth, driven significantly by increased monopolistic corporate power, has allowed large corporations and the ultrarich who exercise control over them to use their vast resources to shape global rules in their favor, often at the expense of everyone else.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 3 points 6 hours ago

The immense concentration of wealth, driven significantly by increased monopolistic corporate power, has allowed large corporations and the ultrarich who exercise control over them to use their vast resources to shape global rules in their favor, often at the expense of everyone else.

This is literally everything.

Aside from the bullshit religion is responsible for, the vast majority of the issues with the whole world is down to this. Government of the corporation, by the corporation, for the corporation.

[–] Einstein@sh.itjust.works 13 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

1% of 8 billion is only 80 million. I wouldn't say most Americans are in the 1% when the 80 million is spread around the world.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk -2 points 9 hours ago

Not just Americans. First world nations in general. That's about 20% of the population in there, so the top 5% of US, Europe, Japan, Australia, etc. We're talking the upper middle class. $100K pre-tax gets you there easily, and thanks to rising prices of housing, I doubt most of them feel very rich at all.

The billionaires are holding big numbers as well, and there's a few of those dotted around the world, but I'd imagine they're mostly concentrated in first world countries. If you can live anywhere, why would you live in a craphole?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

I don't know how this keeps getting trotted out and up voted. I swear it gets dunked on every time.

[–] HAL_9_TRILLION@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I don't feel like an oligarch.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 6 points 18 hours ago

Yeah, where's my yacht?

[–] geography082@lemm.ee 0 points 17 hours ago

Then tax the first world?

[–] mako@lemmy.today 27 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

But what's your point? Are people making $60k/year causing world hunger through artificial scarcity or is it the greed and mental illness of the capitalist class?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The math doesn't even math though. It's 80 million people, globally. Are we to believe no other country contributes to this number? The entire rest of the "Western world" doesn't contribute at all?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

i'm not sure, but the middle class in my third world country doesnt have even close to the buying power of the western middle class.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That's not how purchasing power parity works. You compare the incomes with the same power, no matter what class they are in their regional economy.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

thats sort of what i mean. if i were to compare it like that, only our 1% would be on par with the western middle class.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Yeah, but there's still the issue that half the US fits that 60k metric and that's roughly 160 million people, or around 80 million working adults. So more than 1 percent of the global population right there. As I said above, the math doesn't math. This myth discounts the entirety of Europe and East Asia (China actually follows the US in number of high net worth people).

There's a way to talk about the difference in services and standards of living but spreading myths isn't it.

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Only $800k net worth? Who the hell in middle class America has that? If they did, then homeownership would be less of an issue.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Only $800k net worth? Who the hell in middle class America has that?

Homeowners near retirement age, basically. Much of that net worth would be their home value, and the rest would be in their 401k/IRA.

(Keep in mind that in order to achieve a "modest but comfortable" $40k/year middle-class retirement, you need $1M assets (not including your residence) to achieve a 4% safe withdrawal rate. Basically, you have to be a millionaire by retirement just to avoid poverty.)

[–] dubious@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

i personally don't know any of those people

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago

Most Americans won't have that much wealth even in retirement.

[–] gwen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 7 hours ago

wheres my superyacht

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 day ago

I'd say it's also relative to an area's COL. Not technically, but practically. Sure I'm living great compared to many. The kleptocrats are the ones killing us all, including the habitat they need to survive. But hey, as long as they live longest with the most money, it's all cake.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

In addition to the problems with this that others have stated, this also ignores the wealth distribution among that 1%. Like how much does that 95% go down if we limit it to the top 0.1%? 0.01%?

[–] skibidi@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

Yes, you. And me. And probably most of the people reading this, who live in the US or another Western country

Not quite. 1% of global population is ~80 million people. There are about a billion people in the highly developed nations (US, Canada, Western Europe, Japan, South Korea, and some minor others). So the top 8% of the golden billion, if we assume all in the US, the top ~25% of the country.

[–] Xenny@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Oh thank God I'm still not the 1%. Average wage in the US is 45k and I'm not even making that

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Middle class people worth 800 grand these days, and earn over 60 grand where you live? Damn.

Upper middle class maybe, sure, but middle class mostly doesn't exist any more, mostly it's people scraping by on a mortgage trying to act like they're still middle class :-(

[–] AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Yes but what about the 1% if that 1%

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your target is three rungs above you on the corporate ladder. If you have more than 3 rungs below you, there is a guillotine with your name on it.

[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Although more and more are cutting middle managers. All the more profit for them before they jump out with their golden parachute.

[–] CazzoneArrapante@lemm.ee 14 points 9 hours ago

Sounds like an easy problem to solve: seize their assets and enact Pinochet-style methods to make them shut up if they complain too much.

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Let's invite them all to a wedding of a fake international pop star and start playing the rains of castemere.

I hear billionaire pot pie tastes great. The ketamine cooks right out.