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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 28 points 4 days ago (13 children)

The prohibition on public exposure of breasts by women and girls over 10 years old is now gone from the city code as of this week.

I never thought I'd be conflicted on this, because I am absolutely of the opinion that female breasts and nipples shouldn't be treated as exclusively sexual body parts, especially since men have them too and we aren't held to that standard.

But being confronted with the idea that 10-17 year old girls can now bare their breasts in public without restraint reminds me that treating female bodies as non-sexual is great as an ethos, but it is not reflective of reality, and that this specifically could be problematic.

But how to solve it? You can't make it an 18+ only rule, or you're further entrenching the idea that female breasts are exclusively sexual and adult, but if you let teens and tweens go topless, they will be sexualized / ogled / photographed by adult men, and that's a bad precedent to set as acceptable. We usually treat photographs of underage female breasts as a form of CSAM, but can we still say that if we're treating female breasts as non-sexual? This is an interesting new line to draw, given societal attitudes on adolescent nudity.

Regretfully, I believe that the true problem is men. The reason women have to cover their breasts is because they have to protect themselves from men. I'm all for bodily liberation and the de-sexualization of female existence, but we need an overhaul on our society's attitudes towards women in general if we're going to get there. Maybe bare breasts help get us there. Maybe girls need to learn the right way how to kick a man in the balls before they go topless.

[–] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 3 days ago

I feel like the simple solution is that if you can't have topless kids because of pervs, then you can't have topless kids and gender isn't part of it

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[–] JackDark@lemmy.world 177 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In Washington state, you can just be nude. As long as you are not doing anything to be "obscene".

[–] PolyLlamaRous@lemmy.world 79 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oregon too, last I knew at least.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 105 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This is, in fact, what makes Portland's annual naked bike ride event possible.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 37 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)
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[–] logos@sh.itjust.works 153 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Same goes for NY.

I know this because at the college I worked at, a city public safety officer walked up to a young man who was sunbathing on campus thinking it was a woman, and told him to put his shirt back on or be charged with indecency or something. The school was outraged and had a shirtless demonstration march around town.

Did a I mention it was an all girls school?

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[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 94 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Also legal in Ontario, Canada. A woman was arrested for walking around topless in hot weather. She was finned by police but topless men in the area were not. Ontario courts eventually rulled this was discriminatory but the provincial government did not appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada so the ruling only applies in Ontario.

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[–] 7112@lemmy.world 108 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 56 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

It's really just free the nipple, which highlights how ridiculous it is. Even more so when you see images where male nipples have been pasted over female nipples, which would theoretically make those images ok.

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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 69 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children)

YES
END THE HYPOCRISY
👏 FORCE
👏 MEN
👏 TO
👏 WEAR
👏 SHIRTS!

^^^apologies, i should have appended an '/s'^^^

[–] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 30 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Heck nah, free the tiddy. I'm transitioning and I wanna be able to show off what I've grown when I'm able haha

Also just like, can we all stop making everything sexual and let peoples bodies exist. Instead of hiding everything and making ourselves feel ashamed of our bodies

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Free them tiddies!

On a serious note, while I've always believed that boobs aren't inherently sexual, years of bathing people has extended that to all nudity.

Once you get used to seeing people naked all the time, nudity by itself ceases to be sexual. There has to be intent to the nudity to matter.

And it isn't like I didn't bathe attractive boobs and vag (that being what I'm attracted to personally, I'm not into guys), I did. Plenty of them, surprisingly, what with accidents and illnesses being involved (you'd think that illness and injury would reduce the attractiveness overall, what with part of attractiveness being signs of health). Even in nursing homes, there were enough attractive bodies that most people would be surprised.

But it wasn't sexual at all. Well, not for me anyway, some of the patients had moments.

It's just skin.

The flip side of that is that after a while, I just got annoyed at people doing the usual "old people gross" bullshit. No, they aren't, they're just old. Age, disability, none of it makes someone's body unpleasant inherently. Tbh, there's beauty in all of it after I got past the initial dissonance with nudity in general. That "I'm not supposed to be seeing this" that we get drilled into us.

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[–] femtech@midwest.social 55 points 4 days ago (14 children)
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[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 37 points 5 days ago

I was told (but didnt confirm this) that in Barcelona you can go full nude almost everywhere and there is a naked guy on a bike that is pretty famous there (didnt get to see him fortunately?)

[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 29 points 5 days ago (1 children)

AFAIK anyone can go fully nude in most public spaces in Germany. It's actually kind of weirder to not allow it and carve out arbitrary exceptions if you think about it.

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So this body freedom is ok.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

All bodily freedoms, including that pesky bodily autonomy thing that some people seem to struggle to understand, should be freedoms granted by the constitution (or similar document in other countries).

We passed laws that have made things more equal here in Canada. The US should do the same.

I keep thinking about America's obsession with freedom, and from what I see, y'all aren't very free.

[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Nice.

Always love to see some boobies.

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