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[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 55 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Why Americans always complain about gas prices, then go ahead and choose the most inefficient vehicles?

[–] Zink@programming.dev 23 points 6 days ago

Like with so many things, especially in the US, it seems to me the people complaining most loudly about it are the ones doing everything they can to make the problem worse for themselves.

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[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 58 points 6 days ago

I like the title, I like the framing, but unfortunately it's a nothing burger. They need to close the SUV/truck loophole and regulate vehicle size directly.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Personally, I have to haul heavy loads across the whole country.

You know what would work better for that though?

Trains. High speed electric trains.

I do not like having to pay off this expensive ass truck.

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I didn't see the community and was already primed to say no half measures! abolish cars! and instead have functioning public transport (and if elon musk sabotages it like he did with california high speed rail he gets launched into the mars on his own garbage shuttle). Then there can also be housing layouts that aren't atomizing and reactionary social-engineering projects to facilitate white flight and capital extraction from cities like the hellscape that is the suburbs; where people are conditioned to give money to the chemical/chemical-weapons companies who invented the concept of "lawn weed" and to fossil fuel industries to pollutively wastefully mow and always forever re-mow their sterile mediocre lawns so theyre 'too busy [with pointless busywork] to be a communist'

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 94 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I swear the number of car-brained people who have told me (when discussing a pedestrian or child death in a car):

Well what were they doing in the road???

Why the FUCK does it matter what they were doing in the road. I don't care where the parents were. I don't care what they were doing there. There is no excuse, I don't care if it's the freaking freeway, if you see someone you stop. But these people can't even see over their hoods so they have no clue there's even someone there, so they've shifted all blame to the other person. It couldn't be my fault, it must be there's!

Fuck I'm so mad at them, and the auto industry is also to blame for promoting that way of thinking. "If you're in an auto accident, your family will be safe. Just fuck those other people right?)

It's America's selfishness, just blatantly on display.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 11 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I watch Berm Peak (formerly seths bike hacks) and he recently did a video on a large expensive cargo bike intended for commuting with two kids.

He commented on the high price and safety features, and the large amount of time and resources spent on design to make it safe for anyone you might run into (as it's large, unwieldy, and heavy as hell compared to normal bikes) and he in passing comments "but no-one wants to spend on keeping anyone else safe" and my jaw just dropped.

Everyone. Everyone wants to spend on that. Everyone who isn't a goddamn psychopath who ignores the fact that you or someone you care about is just as likely to be on either end of such an accident.

Is that really just the default way to think in the states? I'll spend on my survival, but no-one elses?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Welcome to the soul rot that has infected American culture

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[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (23 children)

The 93 ford ranger was perfect. I hate these fucking abominations we have now and I think industry grossly underestimated the demand for a sensible pickup

[–] Roldyclark@literature.cafe 2 points 6 days ago

I have a 95 driving it til the wheels fall off

[–] nirodhaavidya@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yep, first gen Tacoma is perfect in my mind. The new tacos are bigger than the F150 was! Why!? It's ridiculous.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Why!?

Because bigger vehicles can simply ignore various regulatory and efficiency requirements.

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 58 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Pedestrians: "can you please make your cars a little safer for us?"

US carmakers:

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

When you snort so much iron oxide that the only notes you have on car design is "bigger! BIGGER! ADD SPIKES! "

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Too low to the ground, they might be able see a child in front of them.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Good point, how about this?

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[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The rules announced this week would update the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS), the government’s bible for everything that’s required in a new vehicle before it’s sold — from steering wheels to rearview mirrors — to set testing procedures to simulate head-to-hood impact, with the aim of reducing head injuries. If enacted, automakers will have to test their vehicles using crash test dummies representing adult and child pedestrians for the first time. NHTSA says the changes could save up to 67 lives every year.

And they expect people to stop making trucks because of pedestrian crash testing? Seems unlikely.

At least this isn't relying on sensors or some other nonsense. Though it might be nice to require things like visibility requirements so people driving Rams could actually see the children they're flattening.

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[–] Nobilmantis@feddit.it 43 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Never in its 50-plus years in existence has the regulator issued new rules for automakers requiring them to change their vehicle designs to better prevent pedestrian fatalities.

Found the problem

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Truck / SUV drivers like : "What pedestrians???"

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 8 points 5 days ago

I walked past a fcking ram the other day and i could barely see over the bonnet.

I'm a grown fucking woman at 170cm, well above the average.

[–] Elkenders@feddit.uk 27 points 6 days ago (11 children)

Why are trucks so popular in the us? What do you guys need to often put in the back?

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There are many reasons: marketing propaganda, sexism, insecurity, politics, and selfishness. Americans are seemingly very susceptible to propaganda and marketing has convinced people that the type of products and brands we consume define who we are.

Sexusm. They have tricked us into believing that small cars are feminine and that huge trucks are for manly, rugged, outdoorsy types.

Insecurity. Even if someone realizes that judging people based on what vehicle they drive is stupid, lots of people are very insecure and are worried other people will judge them for driving a small car.

Politics. Leftists advocated for smaller cars because they care about urbanism, pedestrian fatalities, and the environment. In response, conservatives have turned large tank sized vehicles in a conservative political statement.

Selfishness. Engineering can only do so much to cheap physics so bigger / heavier vehicles are a little safer for the passengers of the larger vehicle when crashing into smaller cars but at the cost of the safety of the smaller car. It is far from a 1 to 1 exchange, large vehicles greatly increase the traffic fatality rates, but large pickup owners don't give a shit about the safety of others. They have no love for their fellow countrymen which means they have no love for their country.

[–] monsterpiece42@reddthat.com 2 points 5 days ago

I agree with you and I would like to add a couple points:

Safety: a lot of people buy big vehicles to feel like they have a chance of surviving a crash with another big vehicle. Not saying this is good, but it is a thing that happens and it feeds the vicious cycle.

Regulation: I know these types of threads tend to lean into "regulation good" but let's not forget that regulation caused (or a big part of it) this whole mess in the first place. Actually a couple of them: the chicken tax is a big one (a 25% tariff on imported light trucks), and the other one is the way the minimum fuel mileage requirements are calculated. Basically, you can break the math of the EPA fuel mileage requirement by making the vehicle longer. Unfortunately this looks aesthetically stupid, so it makes the proportions correct they have to be bigger in every other direction too. This mileage math is effectively what killed the mini trucks that used to be so popular like the S10, and smaller versions of the Tacoma and Ranger.

[–] TedZanzibar@feddit.uk 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I don't remember exactly but it's something to do with new ~~safety and emissions~~ fuel efficiency regulations brought about in the 90s(?) that would fine manufacturers who didn't meet the new standards. "Light trucks" such as the F150 were exempt so manufacturers started pushing those hard as the fashionable choice.

Fast forward 30 years, the regulations haven't changed, and here we are. There's a good video about it somewhere...

Yeah here we go: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo

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[–] UsefulInfoPlz@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Since the 1950’s, particularly in rural america, it’s been common for a family to have 1 truck and 1 car. Cars have become less desirable in these areas over time. Everyone wants a truck. There’s more to it in rural areas like where i live. Our roads suck. It rains a lot. The closest town is an hr away. I use my truck every day to haul, tow, and get to where i need to be. Couple that with i’m a big guy. And i’m not young. Getting in and out of an average car is a challenge. Riding in an average car for more than a short time is torture. I never asked for trucks to get huge. I never asked for 400+ hp. I would gladly trade these big, tall trucks for trucks the size they were in the 80’s with enough power to pull my trailer and get decent economy. But for some reason that’s not an option. I just bought a new Ram with the base 3.0 turbo. It’s very impressive. We took a 1k mile trip and averaged 22mpg. That’s impressive as well. But i remember an Isuzu Pup diesel in the 80’s getting 38mpg. It was slow. It smelled like diesel. But it ran for 300k miles needing nothing but a clutch. There were some futile attempts recently at putting diesels back in 1/2 ton trucks, but come on. Toe nail clippings for engines that had zero reliability across the board. I guess for me, the summary is I have to have a truck. I can’t afford 2 vehicles. There are many people in this country in the same situation. I do think there’s a market for economical trucks over these modern monsters but until manufacturers start listening, we’re stuck with what we have. On the other hand, all vehicles are doing better with their safety systems. From a pedestrian perspective, that is going to be a bigger help than anything. It doesn’t matter what a person is driving if they are not paying attention.

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[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There is a lot of ego to it as well. You aren't a "real man" if you don't drive a truck. People assume they see a truck, thats a hard working real man right there, even if it is just some guy driving to his desk job that doesn't need 500+ hp and 4000lbs towing capacity. I can't remember which company but a truck manufactuer surveyed people with pictures of men next to cars or trucks and the truck scored higher in things like resourcefulness, trust, reliability. And when the exact same guy is pictured next to cars, he scored lower in the same categories. Even some women get trapped in this ego thinking they are tough with stickers like "silly boys, trucks are for girls". Trucks aren't for a specific gender, they are for hauling bulky loads or towing. .

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It's the ultimate result of Society being nothing more than Consumer Society: weak minded individuals after a lifetime of being made to feel inadequate by Adverts are led by Adverts into feeling (all car adverts nowadays use techniques from Psychology to manipulate people at a subconscious level, not logic to convince them, so the push to buy comes via what people feel about certain products) that an oversized car will make them look important and irresistible to the opposite sex.

In places were people feel that Society (the part that exists beyond just the Consumer bit) frowns on people running around with big trucks it's harder for Adverts to induce such feelings.

Mind you, living in the Europ I'm pretty happy that at this point in time the impression that people here have of America is pretty low, so people don't have as much the "I want to be like an American" effect that would otherwise push "American practices" (what people think they are from what they see on TV) here.

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[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I am probably going to break down and get truck again. Most uses people give are bs. A tarp and car will let you haul 90% of what you want. Chicken, dog, cat, pig feed. Car is fine. All of those animals too (though 300 lb pot belly pushes the limits).

If you stick it out the back of the trunk you can haul long lumber. You can load a surprising amount of rocks and concrete too.

You are probably loading and unloading appliances that often. Or furniture.

If it wasn't for the travel trailer I would suffer through it, but its the straw that broke the cammals back. Renting is just such a pain in the dick too. I would rather have a piece of junk desiel that I am tinkering with the schedule a day to pick up a truck to race around trying to use it before I run out time.

If I need to clear brush. I just want to go do it. If I need rocks I just to get a load. Friend or family moving I can just bring the truck.

Don't get me wrong I hate a lot of the truck out there. I don't need a new house worth of truck to move junk around.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I just want a god damn little single cab S10 style truck with a full size bed. I don't need passenger space, I don't need crazy ground clearance, I don't need huge tires. I need room for furniture and lumber that my 5'3 ass can get in and out of without having to climb. Bonus points if it's electric. And no a Maverick is not just as good.

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nothing. But you never know...

Meanwhile in Europe:

How am I ever going to carry a couch on my bicycle? Haha, silly me. I don't carry couches. (Or I'd just spend a whooping 80 euros to rent a van for a few hours)

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[–] coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Tax by weight

No excuses

No exceptions

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 days ago

Finally some sense in the regulators. Something like the Hummer EV and Cybertruck shouldn't be legal.

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