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[–] themadcodger@kbin.earth 149 points 2 months ago (16 children)

Yes neoliberals, let's continue to govern from the center. Because that's worked so well the last forty years as the right has moved the Overton window to the point where we no longer have a left wing party.

I think it's worth mentioning again that all this hope and excitement comes with the first candidates that aren't Boomers.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 92 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)
  • Americans repeatedly respond to authenticity, even if that authenticity is built on lies (Trump)
  • An old white self-avowed Democratic Socialist independent from Vermont overtook a decades-old Third Way household name in under a year, outperforming her in head-to-head polling against Trump.
  • Democrats repeatedly water down their rhetoric to appeal to ignorance in the middle-ground
  • Said middle-ground is defined by right-wing extremist rhetoric and a shifting of the Overton Window
  • Said policies then fail because they watered-down the rocket-fuel too much and it never broke orbit.
  • Democrats shocked when grassroots coalition that is the backbone of the party and GOTV movement unenthused.
  • Democratic establishment shocked when they lose.

The day Democrats grow a backbone and double-down on progressive policy because it actually works instead of appealing to ignorance is the day Democrats never lose again.

There are some good signs in the party they're moving away from this; notably ignoring a lot of the advice from Hillary Clinton strategists (thank fuck), while also promoting progressive voices on the national stage such as at the convention — AOC, Bernie, Warren speeches. Still, there are remnants of the old that need to go.

Also:

Don't ever shy away from our progressive values. One person's socialism is another person's neighborliness.

- Tim Walz

[–] Nyxon@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That is a well spoken summery of the current issue with our political system. Thank you for taking the time to write that up and share it.

It is sometimes hard to have faith in the future when we are so inundated with our current issues. To cultivate hope in the future it is key to remember that time marches on and the older generations will always be replaced by a younger generation. I believe if we keep our democracy alive for long enough we do have the potential as a society to right many wrongs that the younger generations have lived under for the past 50 years and if we stay on target with our wants and needs and can put empathy and compassion for our neighbors as a core belief then it is only a matter of time before we get elected representatives in power to start affecting change.

I believe we, as a people, can do better for our future generations and that is why we all must do our civic duty and vote, not just for president but in our local elections, no matter how small, and every election above that. We have the power to change all this and I believe we will in time. It won’t be overnight but it can be within our lifetimes. Small steps matter because right now we aren’t capable of making huge steps but when the big steps forward become attainable we are prepared as a society to take those steps.

Thank you again for your post, stay strong and motivated and we can do this. Remember this isn’t just about you and me but us as a country, as a species and our responsibility to the future generations that will come after us. We can right our past mistakes and keep hope for that future alive. We have a greater voice now than we realize and are already electing people into positions of power to affect this change. We are not in this alone but in this together; not me, Us!

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[–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

IDK if they are shocked at the results. There's a calculation that needs to be made between convincing voters you have their back, while convincing donors that you have theirs, when those groups have irreconcilable differences of material interest. A cynic would say that a politicians job is to convince the voter base and the donor base that you'll protect each from the other.

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[–] Jagothaciv@kbin.earth 77 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Pelosi is no political genius. She’s got some parlor tricks but most religious leaders do.

But the fact that my Trump loving family members would vote for Bernie over Trump speaks volumes.

Bernie getting fucked by the DNC was the greatest political blunder in 100 years.

Nobody wants Catholics vs Evangelicals anymore because most people think that shit is garbage.

We want PROGRESSIVES because we want PROGRESS!

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 45 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Pelosi can fucking go.

She may come off as a darling of the Democrats, but to me, she's just a old boomer who is part of the old guard of politicians who make money being a politician.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago (4 children)

She was born in 1940. She's older than the Boomers.

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[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 2 months ago (3 children)

People want progressive ideals as policy, but losing the messaging war for 4 decades has taken its toll.

You cannot associate these policies with an ideology. Just call it common sense. Or the Fuck Billionaires Agenda. Whatever.

You can’t undo decades of media programming by telling people that they would all agree with you if they just paid closer attention. Losing strategy.

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[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 68 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Man fuck Pelosi. She's just worried about being unable to insider-trade her privileged position to wealth. If the play's not broken, why would they change a damn thing. Fuck these ghouls!

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[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 65 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (35 children)

What center?

Between the Democrats and Republicans? The GOP that wanted to brutalize Pelosi on the steps of the capital? The GOP that laughed when a man with a hammer nearly murdered her husband with a hammer? The GOP that wants to roll back all civil rights to a time before the revolution? The GOP that wants to install a fascist dictatorship?

Or do you mean the center of where the American public stands?

The center of what Americans want is a hell of a lot more progressive than you, Nancy.

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[–] afivedaystorm@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago

Pelosi needs to go

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago

Pelosi is STILL against stock buying bans for Congress because the “free market is for everyone”, meanwhile they get to decide who participates in said free market with advanced warning on news

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 2 months ago

Fuck you Pelosi.

[–] Uncle_Abbie@lemmy.today 38 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Barack Obama had a lot of great ideas, but I think people have forgotten how many times he gave up without a fight. His motto seemed to be, "We can't win, so why try." I really blame him for the demoralized Democratic base that stayed home and allowed Donald Trump's win.

Harris needs to fight for progressive ideals, even if she doesn't always bring home a victory.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (75 children)

Obama lost the House of Representatives in years 3 and 4. And again in years 5 and 6. Then he lose both the House of Reps and the Senate in years 7 and 8. That was the thanks he got for the ACA. He pushed for progress, got it, and the left voters never showed up for more.

You want progress? You need to vote and give Dems consistent and overwhelming victories.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To be clear the ACA was Romneycare...not progress.

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pelosi is an old hack who needs to take all of her stock market ill gotten gains and go away.

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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The headline completely mischaracterized what the article (and Lee) said.

Lee is clearly sticking pretty close to the party line, but still emphasizing the appeal of progressive policies. "I have to disagree a bit" is just not the same as saying Nancy Pelosi is wrong.

The article said:

Lee somewhat cautiously said she disagrees “a bit” and that “anecdotal evidence” from around the country indicate it’s better to run “to” not “from progressive ideals.”

And Lee herself said:

I have to disagree a bit. I think that we have data, we have polling, we have anecdotal evidence from American – Americans all over the country, but especially out in Pennsylvania, in a swing state, where we’re not actually asking for our – our candidates to run away from progressive ideals. We’re asking them for – for them to run to them.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (29 children)

Moving to the right and calling it the center is why the "good" party is supporting genocide.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Why the fuck is Pelosi still a voice that anyone in the goddamn party listens to? She's been doing nothing but fucking up since she entered Congress. She's literally almost single-handedly responsible for the absolute deterioration of the Democratic party in our government. The only one who outstrips her in that department is Harry Reid.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Some progressive ideals are what the average American wants. Many are still very hard sells. What the Dems need to realize is that the political-junkie conceptions of 'centrist' and 'progressive' mean very little to the 'swing voters' they're trying to appeal to. They don't want a coherent ideological approach. Not that that seems to stop 'centrist' Dem reps from constantly trying to chase policy rightwards.

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[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Pelosi is now irrelevant since she retired and just wants people to listen to her like the rest of the boomers.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 22 points 2 months ago

She is technically Silent Generation. She's too old to be a Boomer, just like Biden.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The center that's been pulled to the right of Reagan? Is it that center she means?
If so, she is in fact claiming Harris should govern with traditional Republican policies.
I hope America responds with a roaring NO to that.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah we did, that's why Hillary lost. That's why Biden was so unappealing.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If the Overton Window is a real thing then there is no "center" just the context of "i am rich don't rock the boat".

Pelosi Thinking ^TM^ is why Bernie would never be president.

[–] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Beautifully stated. Summer Lee rocks.

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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

How about they shut they all shut the fuck up and let them run the campaign themselves

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