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Trump unexpectedly closed a gap in the polls to a photo-finish in 2020. History has taught us it is far too soon to celebrate

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 43 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I just feel good that the US is not Zombie walking towards certain demise as it seemed in early July. We've got a shot at real change and even a landslide if we can seize on the opportunity, the mere hope of possibility gives me energy.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'll believe we're not zombie-walking towards certain demise when we start implementing meaningful countermeasures against the MAGA fascists' election interference strategies. We're focused entirely on votes like it's business as usual, but they're setting up to disrupt the process enough to kick everything to the corrupt SCOTUS and simply declare Trump the winner no matter what the actual votes are.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

That's a valid point.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 40 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Only bc the media conveniently forgets about his crimes and rapiness so they can conduct half ass polls.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And let him drone on and on across all national news networks every time he calls a "press conference" while record-sized Kamala rallies going on at the same time are completely ignored

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago

It will never stop being amazingly sad that the Christian vote backs the "grab 'em by the pussy" guy that fucked a porn star right after his fourth wife had a baby, and then lied about it (is still lying about it) despite a public trial proving he covered it up with campaign money.

Trump voting Christians are a joke. Like, they are actually a giant fucking joke.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

NYT recently "fact checked" Kamala's claim that Trump wants to nuke the Affordable Care Act and said she exaggerated because he tried during his term and some Republicans voted no.

All the media outlets are in his pocket

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Gotta build up the top of the card as the fight of the century so they’ll watch everything leading up to it. It is an insanely important election but I hate that our political system has become sports promotion

[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 28 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The press really wants this to be close to increase the drama/sales.

[–] necrophagist@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Good, people shouldn't get complacent

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago

The majority of the population does not access an independent press. Sinclair Communications, Fox etc. don't want a horse race, they have their whole hands on the scale pushing for a Trump victory.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I'm happy for the press to keep everyone on edge about how close it will be. I want people panicking about making their vote count. I don't care if we win in a landslide, this election is too important to take anything for granted. Plus, it will come with the added benefit to downticket races and local representation.

[–] themachine@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

I’m not sure if you’re just hopped up on hopium but this is very very far from a secured victory. It’s anything but.

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do not stop pressing that gas pedal until the votes are counted.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 15 points 2 months ago

While the only poll that really matters is on November 5 --

2016 and 2024 are vastly different. Trump is a vastly better known quantity today than he was eight years ago.

Twice impeached; utter mishandling of a global pandemic; organized a violent attack on the Capitol which sought to overturn a free and fair election; convicted on 34 counts so far; populated SCOTUS with fascists who A) overturned a very longstanding protection for reproductive freedom, B) shielded him from appropriate legal consequences, and C) set him up to be a pre-Magna Carta king if he retakes the office of President. Not to mention his increasing slide into utter lunacy, going on about sharks and electricity, Hannibal Lecter, windmills; pimping retail products from donors; openly selling policy decisions to oil companies and others.

His challenger, Kamala Harris, is not Hillary Clinton. While I absolutely believe that Clinton was by far the better choice in 2016, the right had painted her as unlikable and "corrupt" (Narrator: she wasn't) for too long. Harris (and Walz) are likable, and hopeful, and progressive; and they are actively and successfully challenging the Trump campaign's claims while easily brushing off their opponents' attacks.

At the same time, Trump has selected a terribly unpopular running mate, who seems unhealthily obsessed with children; Trump is barely campaigning (feel-good rallies in safely red Montana aren't campaigning); he's completely stopped even trying to speak to voters who aren't already in the cult.

This Harris/Walz campaign is different for the Democrats, in a way that hasn't been seen for a long, long time. The Democratic Party is famous for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, yes, but we saw an encumbent president drop out of the race after all the primary ballots were in, and the party immediately coalesced around Harris. That's a kind of party unity on the American left that hasn't happened for decades. The GOP no longer corners the market on standing together, at least as far as presidential campaigns are concerned. I am hopeful that some of that makes its way into Congress, and I am confident that that level of unity - which must continue to be developed and protected - will result in a Democratic success in November.

It won't be over in November, of course. We'll have to fight off the ludicrous and empty legal challenges as well as armed "protesters." There was violence on January 6, 2021, and there will be violence again, more of it. Failing to recognize that in this article demonstrates its British author's misunderstanding of American politics.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Yeah you can see the corporate news world start to “right itself” after being knocked over by her start.

Gotta make it a horse race. It must be both sides!!

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

This is why you don’t believe polls and vote like they don’t exist.

Polls create complacency.

“Oh she’s doing well? I don’t need to vote now!”

And polls also create a “why bother” mentality.

“Oh. She’s not doing well. Guess there’s no point in voting now.”

Polls are easily manipulated. Disregard them and vote like they never existed.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Maybe not count out, but the ref has started the count,