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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 98 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Yes America will, he just hasn't been told how the US economy would collapse without Taiwanese semiconductors yet. Taiwan will not let China take the fabs intact, it's their insurance forcing the west to help them.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 92 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He's perfectly okay collapsing the economy as long as he and a few rich friends make it out with more in the short term.

[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Just depends on if Taiwan or China gives him the bigger kickback.

[–] Heikki@lemm.ee 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Kickback sound nefarious and non-official. Call it a reward for official services. That'd make it completely legal per the SCOTUS ruling

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago

Exactly then it's all very cool and very legal thanks to the US supreme court. Honestly it's my official duty to collect unnamed sums of cash for favours, how else can a poor President of the most powerful nation on Earth ever survive?

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

This is exactly what "America should not defend other countries" dumbos don't understand.

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[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 89 points 3 months ago (9 children)

The United States will lose its super power status with Donald Trump as president

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 57 points 3 months ago (1 children)

and it will be transferred to China with Russia as their lapdog. A new age of authoritarianism which will be extremely costly and deadly to quell ala wwii

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't even know who would be able to fight the trio from hell. At that point it's only a matter of time before the whole planet is fascist.

[–] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

France, UK, Germany, Italy, Poland, Sweden, Finland, and presumably quite a few American mercenaries that don't want to watch the global society fall into corruption.

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[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 23 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Not only that, I guarantee they will push us out of being the world's reserve currency.

Once that happens, we no longer can enforce our will around the globe via soft power (threat of tariffs, sanctions, ect.). Goodbye to normal prices of any kind and hello hyperinflation.

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[–] FarFarAway@startrek.website 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you just read Promise #3 in the Forward of the Project 2025 document, I believe that's the point.

Any time globalization is mentioned, it's in a negative way. They call the global US treaties and economic policy a woke, progressive failure. They blame much of America's problems on our current path of global leadership.

They have to pull it all in and weed out what they dont like before they try to expand in a way that fits their image. (Oil and manufacturing) It's how governments like this function.

[–] ArdMacha@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Which is hilarious, if the dollar stops being the reserve currency for oil America's massive debt mountain will be called in and the economy will collapse.

[–] FarFarAway@startrek.website 6 points 3 months ago

Yeah...alot of them don't think it through. What was the Pol Pot guy in Cambodia... He kills everyone that's not a farmer, then he needs someone to fix the broken radio...

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

it will effectively hand trillions of dollars of business investments directly to china.

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

Pretty much Brexit on a global scale.

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[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 77 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Trump is an idiot and a coward. He doesn't give a shit about global security, he doesn't get that abandoning allies only makes us look weak and unreliable, and he has no principles which could compel him to take a stand. He will decide things based on his own emotions and ego, doing whatever he thinks makes him look good. And his idea of looking good is less about being a leader or statesman and more about pretending to be a tough guy that gets respect by rewarding friends and punishing enemies.

Remember, this is the guy who, when faced with a choice between showing leadership in the face of a pandemic or downplaying the disease so that it wouldn't be associated with him, went with downplaying the disease. If he can't be trusted to make the right choice in a conflict between a virus and humanity, why would we ever expect him to make the tough call to defend an ally in a difficult conflict.

Honestly, I think if Trump had been president in 1941, he would have downplayed the significance of Pearl Harbor and would have used it as an excuse to stop aid to our allies. But I'm sure he'd still be all for internment, it's very much his style.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

pretending to be a tough guy that gets respect by rewarding friends and punishing enemies.

Or vice-versa, when it comes to the US' relationship with the countries themselves (as opposed to his personal fawning sycophancy towards dictators).

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Right, it's not about whether they are America's friend or foe, it's only about their relationship with Trump. And unfortunately, Trump seems to be better at relating to dictators.

And it probably doesn't help that democratically elected leaders from countries that have longstanding relationships with the US tend to expect America to live up to it's obligations. They aren't coming in and kissing the ring in exchange for favors, they're putting the burden on the president to, you know, do his fucking job. "What's that, Ukraine wants the defense funding that congress allocated for them? Well what will they do for me?"

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

And unfortunately, Trump seems to be better at relating to dictators.

I know you're not intentionally mincing words, but I prefer to be as explicit about it as possible: Trump idolizes dictators and wants to be just like them. He is a fanboi of Putin, Xi, et al.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Russia, China - hell, North Korea - take whatcha want.

No wonder the idiot commies are for him.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (14 children)

They are not really commies. But I'd guess you know that.

Edit: In case it's not clear, I strenuously object to the use of "commie" as a pejorative, particularly when it makes no sense whatsoever.

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[–] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 29 points 3 months ago

trump would never stand up for the smallest in a fight. That is cowardice.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If we're not going to have bases all over the world, we can shrink the size of the military, right?

Right? Insert Anakin/Padme meme

[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The fascists would want an army at home to keep the populace in line.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's what the conscription part is for.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Worked out well for the Romanovs.

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[–] upside431@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

This kind of declarations are very dangerous and could lead to other countries to produce their own nuclear weapons (South Korea for example)

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

A bit different, but South Korea already asked the US to redeploy nuclear weapons to South Korea and im fairly positive the US already agreed.

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Chinese check cleared

[–] TheBigBrother@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Nationalism taking over globalism..

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

It's so incredibly short sighted. It's like your neighbor asking to borrow your hose because his garage is on fire, and saying no because it costs water and doesn't directly help you. Not only is that going to mean your neighbor is never, ever going to help you with anything, but if that garage fire turns into a raging house fire, your house might go down too.

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[–] Delonix@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Fat greasey bearded red neck squeals intensify

[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Yeah......we know......

[–] approval4363@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago

China takes over Taiwan and starts restricting AI training chips to USA 😂

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago

Cool I can't wait until the price of all of our electronics goes up 400%.

Maybe then all of the "I don't care, politics doesn't affect me" idiots will finally wake the fuck up.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Well he is a little bitch that's afraid of a fight, so...

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Of course he merely “suggests” because he has no idea what he would actually do. He probably thinks Taiwan is a K-pop band.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Trump's comments still fall broadly within the ambit of the longstanding U.S. policy of strategic ambiguity regarding any action in the event of a Taiwan contingency."

[–] jettrscga@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the strategic ambiguity that strategist Trump is known to utilize.

Good thing the ambit is so broad as to hold all of his strategies.

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