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The FDA said it had concluded that BVO was not safe for use after the results of studies, it conducted in collaboration with the National Institutes of Health, found the potential for adverse effects in humans.

The agency had first proposed to revoke the regulation in November 2023. According to the Center for Science in the Public Interest, BVO was banned in the UK in 1970, followed by India in 1990, the EU in 2008 and Japan in 2010.

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 38 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The Food and Drug Administration said on Tuesday it would revoke the regulation that authorized the use of brominated vegetable oil in food items, effective Aug. 2, as it was no longer safe.

BVO is a chemical ingredient containing bromine, which is found in fire retardants. Small quantities of BVO are used legally in some citrus-flavored drinks in the United States to keep the flavor evenly distributed.

The FDA said it had concluded that BVO was not safe for use after the results of studies, it conducted in collaboration with the National Institutes of Health, found the potential for adverse effects in humans.

The agency had first proposed to revoke the regulation in November 2023. According to the Center for Science in the Public Interest, BVO was banned in the UK in 1970, followed by India in 1990, the EU in 2008 and Japan in 2010.

In 1970, the FDA had concluded that its use in food was not generally recognized as safe because of toxicity concerns. After this, the agency began regulating BVO as a food additive, while simultaneously conducting safety studies.

“The FDA’s new regulation to not allow BVO as a food additive is a terrific positive in the right direction,” said Michael Ashley Schulman, chief investment officer at Running Point Capital Advisors.

As per FDA rules, whenever a company was using the ingredient in any product, it was necessary to list it on the label.

Over time, many beverage makers have replaced BVO with an alternative ingredient, according to the FDA. “Today, few beverages in the U.S. contain BVO,” it said.

PepsiCo and Coca-Cola have removed BVO from their drinks such as Gatorade and Fanta, respectively.

“Sun Drop, manufactured by Keurig Dr Pepper, still uses BVO ... This is probably the biggest national brand that still uses it,” said CFRA Research’s Arun Sundaram.

Keurig Dr Pepper did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 31 points 4 months ago

followed by India in 1990

India, a country considerably more blasé about safety standards than the US, had already banned it a generation ago. Terrifying negligence on behalf of the FDA. How much money could this have possibly saved the megacorps?

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

no longer safe

It used to be safe?

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Considered safe. Considerations are influenced by adequate research, ideally.

Lead used to be considered safe in paint, asbestos used to be considered safe for napkins, cigarettes used to be considered safe to smoke, cocaine used to be considered safe to drink, etc.

I am just waiting for the next "asbestos" to come to light in home construction. I am betting on drywall sooner or later being considered hazmat to disturb. Plastics are emerging as a bigger problem, so we will see how that all pans out.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Lead used to be considered safe in paint

It's worse than that. Ancient Romans knew that lead could poison you and no one ever forgot. They all kept using it anyway because lead was cheap.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Romans even knew about asbestos, there were recommendations to not buy slaves from the asbestos mines because of the poor health associated.

Oddly enough, they still wiped their faces with the stuff because those napkins and towels could be cleaned by throwing them in fire.

[–] Sidhean@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Okay but that is a very cool way to clean napkins

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 months ago

Lead is still used as a gasoline additive for some applications. It was only banned for sale for on road vehicles in the 90s. Prior to 1975 just about every car on the road was spewing it from the tail pipe.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Then we put it in gasoline knowing damn well that the poisionous lead would spew out the exhaust, it took us decades to reverse that decison as well and it only really happened when engine knocking had been resolved.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Even now, it's legal in aviation fuel.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

At least its not idling in the school parking lot anymore where children are closer to the exhausts and less aware of the risks.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the article left out the word, “considered”

or the FDA did

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Everything that the FDA doesn't declare as "known" or "proven" safe within defined limits are "considered" safe or may be allowable to a defined limit. It is their cute little scapegoat should a substance they allow be proven unsafe and then they would face a greater risk of lawsuit had they determined it was known or proven safe.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] AceCephalon@pawb.social 1 points 4 months ago

Citrine red text flashbacks

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Again, the FDA was late to the game. Even India has banned this stuff decades ago.

[–] Qkall@lemmy.ml 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I always find this a little funny... Like I always hear complaints how the FDA is overbearing and stuff... And I'm like, they're barely doing their job. They're so woefully backed that even if they make a ruling, they act super slow or are unable to enforce. That said... Lots of moves happening from them after the baby formula stuff. It'll be interesting how the next year or two goes

[–] Laser@feddit.org 11 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I always find this a little funny... Like I always hear complaints how the FDA is overbearing and stuff

It's big corpos who'd love to continue using these additives that launch these claims via proxy into the public. Similar to how McDonald's made sure people think the US is a country of frivolous lawsuits because they were ordered to cover a woman's medical costs after a jury found them guilty. Purposeful misrepresentation of facts

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[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

India doesn’t have the Robert’s court.

The FDA means nothing. Agencies are pointless now. The whole thing is a joke.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Cue the lawsuit to be able to continue using it.

[–] tamal3@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, weren't the implications from the Chevron case that the FDA wouldn't be able to ban ingredients anymore? I thought the government departments were all basically stripped of powers and could only make recommendations to Congress.

Got to go read, now, and figure out what I misunderstood...

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

They can continue operating until the courts stop them. Chevron deference is in reference to court cases, not specific regulatory authority. So the Chevron doctrine was that courts should defer to the regulatory agency in most cases. With it gone, courts can generally rule against specific regulations without fear of being over turned on appeal.

The real danger is SCOTUS in another case in the last few days completely removed something called standing in relation to these regulations. It used to be that you could only challenge a new rule or regulation right after it was made. Now you can challenge it when the damage occurs. That sounds better but in reality it's worse. Because corporations can act as people in court, all you have to do is incorporate a new corporation in a friendly court district. For example, the second you create a "alcohol distribution" corporation you are subject to those regulations. Some of them are a hundred years old. You can now claim damage has occurred and sue to block the enforcement of those regulations.

Before Chevron was removed though the courts would have most likely ruled against you because the agency was deferred to in most cases. Now the court can take this shell company's case and rule however it wants.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Mountain Dew used to be made with this... I wonder what it does to you

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The FDA knew it wasn't safe in 1970.

Okay new rule. If it's not naturally grown and simply processed, (squeezing an orange) it has to go to the FDA for FDA led testing and cannot be distributed until then.

If that's already the case then we need to see some criminal prosecutions. I'm getting really fucking tired of these captured regulators.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 months ago

Oranges aren't squeezed anyway. They're separated into tanks of raw components and then mixed so OJ always tastes the same.

[–] Rinna@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Great, now lets ban teflon next.

[–] thecookie94@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just banning PTFE outright isn't gonna go well, it just has way too many useful applications. As a lubricant for example (tho fully enclosed uses there are def preferred obviously), or for uses where the fact that it's practically non-reactive is very much important. Phasing out PTFE coatings for non stick pans&things like that? Sure, that we can do. Basically.... reduce it's use to applications where it actually makes sense to do so&where there is no such thing as a practical "just use something else that doesn't share the same environmental issues!"

[–] Rinna@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I'm aware there are legitimate uses for it, I meant around foodstuff since it's not something that should be anywhere near it. I probably should've specified better. 😅

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[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I feel the same way about diamonds. They are fantastic for tools and abrasives, but everyone wearing it should be hit over the head with a teflon pan.

[–] Rinna@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Eh, if it's lab grown or some family heirloom then I don't think there's any harm. With lab grown you're getting virtually the same thing as natural ones for cheaper, and without it being harvested by a child slave at gun point.

[–] codeddji@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I could find these drinks two after digging in to 2 differnet articles :

  1. Sun Drop, made by Keurig Dr Pepper  2. Great Value Orangette orange soda ( Walmart brand )
[–] Svengarlic@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Half asleep, read that as "Great Value Orange Vinaigrette Soda". Was shocked at the depth of Walmart's depravity.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 2 points 4 months ago

I remember it being in Mountain Dew Live Wire as well.

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wait, does this mean Sunny D will have to be made from real oranges from now on?!

[–] Steve@communick.news 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Small quantities of BVO are used legally in some citrus-flavored drinks in the United States to keep the flavor evenly distributed.

No, you'll just have to shake it before drinking.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Whew. I can't imagine any Sunny D consumer being satisfied with a real orange flavor.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Surprised it took this long, frankly.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Now where am I gonna get my bromine

[–] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

You're going to have to drink indoor pool water like the rest of us. It has all the bromine you'll need, and more!

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 months ago

Also annoying that articles like these never list the full list of affected beverages. We can't have a negative taint against our dear corporations!

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