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That doesn't exist anywhere...and I frankly don't think it ever will.
EDIT What's with the downvotes? Does anyone want to refute this?
Logically the refutation is kind of easy. Your prediction hinges on two things. A predicate that technology will never get better or cheaper.
Both of those things happen all the time as such, the refutation is simple.
Points to our entire technological history
Vehicles aren't just one technology though, they are commodity items. Cellphones are more expensive than a decade ago, so are laptops. The average ICE car has gotten much more expensive over time. So, do you think EV technologies will get significantly cheaper quicker than inflation and the general direction of the industry?
The Chinese government is subsidising the car industry to outcompete and destroy other manufacturers. These cars are being sold for less than they're worth. This is why the EU is banning them. Its the same thing when you in wish and order something for 3 dollars. The Chinese government subsisdises the postage in China and international law means your post has to deliver it in your country.
You provide no proof of the facts you state, therefore it’s just as easy for me to say you’re wrong as it is to believe you. 🤷🏼♂️
is it hard to.. ya know... hypothetically obtain one of these cheaper, mexican imported evs? askin for a huh friend
No, you cant import it. They dont meet safety standards.
Gotta love American "freedom" sometimes. "Oh you can buy any car you want, well except those dirty foreign ones because checks notes they're totally not up to our safety standards." -_-
Except you know, working airbags, seat belts, fuses, a firewall (as in the sheet of metal separating the engine from the passenger compartment), working crumple zones, 5 mph bumpers, rollover protection, stuff like that
Do you think this is a Ford Pinto?
Edit: given that you mention crumple zones... A Tesla Cybertruck?
The pinto was 40 years ago, so thats probably accurate. Makes sense china is 40 years behind.
And the Cybertruck was...
What if we elect Trump and he gets rid of safety standards, could we import it then?
No cause he's also gonna ban evs
I am sick and tired of people claiming that BYD are unsafe They have crash tested better than my current vehicle.
Car manufacturers will meet local safety standards, so a BYD sold in the EU is probably going to be safer than a BYD sold in Mexico
In this case BYD lacks a local factory and their profit margins are significant enough that they don't maintain region-specific frame SKUs IIRC.
FWIW the Chinese market is one of the biggest for Volvo because Chinese consumers care about (perceived) safety.
hey shut up we're in a china bad brigade
However, you can import many kei cars and trucks and people are doing it because they're super cheap.
They're almost exclusively being imported as antique vehicles. I don't think you're going to find a cheap, useful, 25-year old Chinese EV, but all the power to you!
They sure look cheap to me:
https://boekiusa.com/inventory/new-jersey/paterson/all-vehicles/available
None of those are Chinese EVs. I was pointing out that the "anique import loophole" doesn't apply to Chinese EVs (at least for another couple decades).
Sorry, missed the EV part. True, although there is a Japanese kei EV.
Not sure if you can import it or what the price is though.
I think you missed the point again. That's only 2 years old. They need to be 25+ to be easily imported into the US. Otherwise you'll pay tariffs and they'd be subjected to the same safety tests required for new vehicles sold in America. It's only because they're 25+ years old that they aren't subjected to the standard rules on imports.
That would be why I said I wasn't sure if you could import it.
That's fair, it probably wouldn't be importable (until 2047) since it likely wouldn't pass the fmv safety tests. I just wanted to stress that the loophole that allows them to be imported requires the vehicle to be 25+ years old.
undermining regional carmakers
I think the word they're looking for is in fact "outcompeting."
Yutaro-Katori-with-butterfly-meme: Is this capitalism?
Outcompeting by having a nation subsidize the cost. Until local manufacturers go out of business because they can't compete. Then China owns the entire industry she jacks to the price.
It's like no one has been paying attention.
Lmao there's a guy who usually posts a long response to these "subsidies" claims bullshit, but I think they got into a pissing match with a mod in the comments and got banned lmao.
Jist of it is: China's subsidies are negligible compared to the US, and what they've actually done is created a competitive domestic market with a large number of players. Unless you think Chinese people are all puppets, even if China (as a country) owns the industry it would not prevent internal competition that drives down prices. Moreover, China does not offer per-unit subsidies on export. In fact, Chinese EVs exported to Europe are something like 40% more expensive than domestically for the same model.
Local manufacturers
You mean Ford, GM, and Chrysler who make useless pieces of garbage and also outsource production to Mexico?
Who also got bailed out by the federal government for going bankrupt back in 2009?
It isn't 1970 anymore. Those three manufacturers are barely a blip on the radar in the US.
If they were barely a blip, they wouldn't have been bailed out for ~~17.4~~ 50 billion dollars.