I used to kid about "You know, it's only a matter if time before someone starts talking about a 'final solution to 'the Palestinian problem'." And yet, here we are...
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Here's a reminder that the right wing Zionist used to work with the Nazis, some of them even after the war starts.
Seems like a nut.
Also he's not in office. It's kinda like getting upset if George Santos said something insane.
I get that people are working hard to find evidence for the "Israel = Nazis" narrative that's currently trending, but kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel aren't we?
Or, here's another way of looking at it.
Man who voluntarily left the ruling party of Israel and remains a part of Israel's political class quotes Hitler. Not in the way we all quote Hitler to show that a point of view is wrong because Hitler held it, but rather in the way we quote someone like Nelson Mandela or Albert Einstein; to support an argument because we respect the source.
Meaning, Israeli politician respects Hitler.
Israel=Nazis is trending because the Israeli regime is genocidal, just like the Nazi regime that necessitated the creation of Israel, which is tragically ironic. This news piece is just garnish.
I see people constantly invoking the Nazis to make excuses for the actions of Hamas. The logic is "Israel is like Nazis therefore everything Hamas does it permissible." It's idiotic reasoning but it's commonplace here.
This guy is similarly idiotic. If you're outraged by what this guy is saying, look at the rationalizations people on here do everyday in support of Hamas. It's the same eye for an eye kind of thinking. "Other side is Nazis, therefore we should do horrible things!"
It's not supporting Hamas to point out that Israel is doing horrible things.
I guess you just pretend not to see comments all over Lemmy expressing support for Hamas?
Ex Likud members which used to be part of the Knesset that are now running their own party and saying this stuff on mainstream israeli TV channels does indicate something.
Unless they arrested this guy for saying literal Nazi shit on TV of course. Surely israel would do that right.
You think people should be arrested for mentioning Nazis?
Israel is currently jailing any Arab which posts anything on social media which the state does not condone.
Arabs in Israel face reprisals over online solidarity with Gaza
The Palestinian singer Dalal Abu Amneh was arrested briefly this week when she went to a police station to file a complaint after receiving hundreds of death threats. Rather than investigating her complaint, police detained her because of a comment she posted on Facebook, said her lawyer, Abir Bakr.
“They put cuffs on her hands and feet, and subjected her to insults and humiliation. They want to frighten people and teach them a lesson through Dalal,” Bakr said. After the start of Israel’s bombardment of Gaza, Abu Amneh had posted “there is no victor but Allah” alongside a Palestinian flag on her Facebook page.
Invoking literal Hitler in a context that literally calls for literal Genocide on mainstream TV, does call into question if there are any double standards present here.
Now that antisemitism isn't a problem anymore for israel either since they're literally quoting Hitler it's getting pretty obvious that israel is just doing Nazi Germany and white power.
Here you are claiming antisemitism isn't a problem in the same sentence where you're implying all Jews are just like the worst one you can find.
As you are a known israel defender I'm not going to bother with this extremely antisemitic comment but defending Nazism is a new low for you.
I'm known? Cool!
See the difference between you and I is that I attribute the actions on October 7 to Hamas, not the Palestinian people. But you see any Israeli doing something wrong you use it to paint everyone in Israel as being that way.
You can split hairs about whether that's antisemitism, but I don't care. When you see one person of an ethnicity and/or religious group doing something wrong and then go on to say "they" do things like that, you're showing what kind of person you are.
You keep describing israelis as "Jews". A description israel itself rejects as it claims it is secular.
So somehow is both "Jewish", but also "secular", But also somehow also has Palestinians if Apartheid needs to be defended.
Because Israel is a Jewish state?
I tend to say Jew when when someone trends towards hating all Israelis, because hatred towards Israel is a common dog whistle for antisemites. After the "It's ok to criticize Israel" meme went viral, many antisemites did a find and replace on "Jew" and changed it to "Israeli". Those same antisemitic conspiracy theories most people would immediately denounced by most people before are now commonly spread simply because one word was changed. When I see those conspiracy theories espoused with one word different from the original, I bring it back to the original version. Why would I pretend that I don't know the intent for these conspiracy theories?
Sometimes it's important to take what you're saying and put the word Jew in there. If what you're saying about Israel suddenly becomes uncomfortable when "Israeli" is replaced with "Jew", then you should consider more carefully what you're saying. Someone says "wipe them off the map" they are talking about the ethnic cleansing of Jews after all. Or do you honestly believe that those that want Israel wiped off the map would displace Arab Israelis along with the Jewish Israelis? Come on...
The trick to avoid being a racist is introspection. Some consideration about whether your thinking is being guided by racism every now and then. If it's uncomfortable to hear your rhetoric being applied to Jews rather than Israelis or "Zionists", then maybe you should be checking how you're thinking about things a little more.
If me considering your rhetoric as being against Jews makes you uncomfortable, then good. Your discomfort might lead to introspection.
Wait I thought it was secular. So you are admitting israel is like ISIS?
You don't seem to understand a lot about history with regards to Jews. Someone can consider themself to be a Jew if they are in the Judaism religion, and they can consider themself a Jew If one or both of their parents are Jews. Sometimes people that don't consider themself to be a Jew can be considered a Jew by others even if just one of their Grandparents were a Jew.
All of these have been oppressed in the past. Oppression of Jews generally goes in cycles. Tolerance for a few generations, but then animosity builds up over time. Since Jews are a minority group they're an easy target, and if a minority group achieves any measure of success people become jealous and a minority group having success runs counter to white supremacist ideology. Paranoia builds up, lots of conspiracy theories around Jews being successful because they used manipulation and took things that rightfully belonged to someone else.
Then a massacre happens and most people are horrified by it. So the majority of people go back to tolerating Jews again. But after a few generations people go back to the paranoia and jealous hatred against a minority group for achieving any kind of success.
The last cycle when antisemitism reached it's maximum, there were no countries that offered sanctuary to Jews. I don't think that will be the case on this cycle because while there's few people left who personally witnessed the holocaust, most people in positions of power at least knew someone who was affected by it. But on the next cycle? What happens if the people that say October 7 was justified are the majority and are in positions of power in the west? The tankie pro-Palestinian protest kids of todady will likely be the MAGAs of tomorrow. It's easy to see the potential of repeat of every country in the world refusing to offer sanctuary to Jews that are the victims of oppression.
And that's why Israel exists. It's not a religious state. It's also not an ethno-state. It's a state that exists to provide sanctuary for victims of antisemitism. A lot of people are uncomfortable with the existence of Israel because it's a reminder of our failure to have any level of humanity towards Jews in the past.
I hope there's a day where it isn't necessary for there to be a country that has a Jewish majority to ensure there's at least one country that offers sanctuary to Jews during times of peak antisemitism. But seeing attacks on synagogues and attacks on Jewish businesses in the west, we're unfortunately not there yet.
So if I start calling myself a Jew you become antisemitic?
Critical thinking isn't exactly your strong suit, is it?
It is
.... does he not see the irony in calling the other guys nazis while directly (and knowingly) quoting Hitler?
You want the truth or you want to keep what's left of your faith in humanity?
wait, he ACTUALLY SAID HE'S QUOTING HITLER???
when i read the title i thought he said something identical or very similar to something Hitler said maybe without knowing... all fascism leads to the same destination after all, you don't need to be deliberate about it. (remember how people said TFG was quoting hitler and he said, and i paraphrase, "i didn't know he said it i just came up with the same conclusion on my own" as if that doesn't make it worse... kinda like that)
but NO! he literally quotes Hitler by attributing the quote to Hitler without a modicum of irony. dude the israeli government has gone do far deep into fascism that they can't even use the thinnest veils as cover.
He has never been part of Israel's government.
Like I wrote in another comment, he was 36th on the Likud's list 10 years ago, and later founded a party that didn't even get 1 mandate.
They have become the thing they hate.
I mean, Likud is the successor organization to the original Zionists, so they've always been genocidal ethno-fascists. But this guy decided to form his own party because Likud apparently wasn't ethno-fascist enough for him.
The "original zionists" were socialist and communists who tried to do things in the way of cooperation and peace, and were a defensive group.
The offensive groups splintered off the original one after Arab riots and massacres of Jews.
A politician who got the 36th position in the Likud list 10 years ago.
The party he founded after that didn't get even 1 mandate.