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Sorry if this is not the proper community for this question. Please let me know if I should post this question elsewhere.

So like, I'm not trying to be hyperbolic or jump on some conspiracy theory crap, but this seems like very troubling news to me. My entire life, I've been under the impression that no one is technically/officially above the law in the US, especially the president. I thought that was a hard consensus among Americans regardless of party. Now, SCOTUS just made the POTUS immune to criminal liability.

The president can personally violate any law without legal consequences. They also already have the ability to pardon anyone else for federal violations. The POTUS can literally threaten anyone now. They can assassinate anyone. They can order anyone to assassinate anyone, then pardon them. It may even grant complete immunity from state laws because if anyone tries to hold the POTUS accountable, then they can be assassinated too. This is some Putin-level dictator stuff.

I feel like this is unbelievable and acknowledge that I may be wayyy off. Am I misunderstanding something?? Do I need to calm down?

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[–] SirSamuel@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

As with the lowest posts in this thread, this will not be popular, but I'll say it anyway.

I'm not concerned. Not because I think everything is fine. It's because it's not been fine for a long long time. Now the curtain is being pulled back and everyone can see the reality that's always been there. Privilege just means private law, and the president is the most privileged person in the US. As time moves forward the window dressing is removed and we can see reality for what it really is. It reminds me of This Vicious Cabaret:

But the backdrop's peel and the sets give way and the cast gets eaten by the play / There's a murderer at the Matinee, there are dead men in the aisles / And the patrons and actors too are uncertain if the show is through / And with side-long looks await their cue but the frozen mask just smiles.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 8 points 2 months ago

Well, that's one way to look at it, but too, keep in mind Hemingway's famous description of how somebody goes broke: Slowly, then all at once.

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[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Yes, have you browsed Lemmy or the general internet the past few days??? How can you still be asking "is anyone else" at this point?

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Mhm as a Canadian, the entire last week of SCOTUS rulings spells doom for your country if the people of the US allow Trump and any other federal Republican to attain power again. Lots of cause to be alarmed.

Roe v Wade from before this week was absolutely terrible. Snyder v Grants Pass was downright awful, Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo is going to have awful consequences for years to come. Trump v. USA to me is the cherry on top of this shit ruling sundae.

The best thing you can do is disseminate each of these rulings, and why they are bad to every person you know. The message for Roe is clear, as most non-crazies would rather have state governments not mess with the business in your genitals. Try and figure out a good way to explain each of the others as they are just as horrible.

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[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm very stressed about it, but I don't know what to do other than doomscroll.

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[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think the really interesting part is how it goes down when something from his past from before he was president sticks and they declare him immune ex post facto/retroactively covering his pre-presidential shenanigans (looking at NY charges) and also how his civil judgements play out

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[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

To be fair, the president can and does already assassinate people extrajudicially.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations_by_the_United_States

[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

How often has a politician said they should be able to assassinate their political rivals?

"The idea was put forward by the former president’s lawyers earlier this week" (Jan. 2024)

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[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I’m very concerned. The US has been increasingly authoritarian for a long time. But I really hate how people are only seeing “oh shit that’s authoritarian now”

I mean, let’s be real, we live in a fucking authoritarian police state, and this isn’t something that suddenly happened with Trump or the SCOTUS, they are just showing some of the terminal symptoms. Our police force is above the law, mass surveillance is normal, corporate surveillance is a profitable business that doesn’t shirk from getting profit from the Govt, and our democratic system is feeling pretty autocratic.

The oppressive arms of the next authoritarian on the throne of the oval office have been set up over many decades, accelerating recently. But now that the throne has been polished, people are starting to notice.

This system is fucked.

edit: autocorrect fucked me

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[–] illi@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

Not from US, deeply concerned anyway.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Pretty much every democrat is indeed highly concerned... Along with plenty of moderate Rs. It's the far right fascists and their moronic blind followers that are rejoicing and the remaining people just don't have the time or intelligence to care.

[–] wick@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

I haven't seen anyone defend it. Closest to that was someone saying it seems vague in a few places. I think it's a pretty good heuristic that if you can't find anyone to argue the negative, the positive is probably true.

That said I didn't look so hard because I'm not American and got other shit to do. Good luck you crazy bastards.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m going to add my “it’s very fucking concerning and we should be out in the streets protesting” comment. Tell me to be there this weekend, and I will.

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