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I know this might be a couple months old, but I didn't know we already passed 4%.

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[–] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 45 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I've had LMDE on a USB stick for a few months now, waiting for the right time to boot it up on my wife's PC, and she finally agreed to try it tonight. Cross your fingers, boys; we may soon have another convert.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If she doesn't like it, find a new wife!

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[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

I am so happy for you two!

[–] anonymoose@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What's your review of LMDE over Debian? I recently took the Linux desktop jump recently and started with Linux Mint.

I really didn't like the Mint desktop as it seemed very dated, so I've switched to Debian/KDE. It was only much later that I realized how easy it would have been to just customize my window manager instead of getting a different distro. Having said that, I'm really digging Debian in spite of Nvidia issues being a headache, and Debian's glacial update pace making me look longingly at Arch.

[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I also didn't like the way Mint looked/felt, even though I'm aware of its popularity and good reputation.

I'm on Pop!_OS which is mostly a GNOME desktop, but they do add [remove] features and it's very smooth and clean. I guess this is one of the miracles of "linux" where we can all be using "linux" but with 1500 different varieties.

[–] anonymoose@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I've heard really good things about Pop!_OS, especially for Windows migrants.

[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Funny enough, if you "need it to look like windows 7" Mint looks pretty close.

but yes, prior to October my house was 5 windows PCs. A couple weeks ago it was officially 5 Pop machines. No prior Linux experience, except for copy-paste setup of a pihole.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I love pop os.

[–] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I like Debian a lot, and Mint seems fine too, but I don't like the styling, or Cinnamon really. I use Fluxbox (WM only, no DE) with a bunch of tiny customizations.

The main reason I picked it is that I like to tinker and she doesn't, so I think that Cinnamon will be the easiest for her coming from Windows 10.

We both have AMD GPUs (and she has a AMD CPU too) so I haven't had to deal with Nvidia headaches.

I like the glacial updates so things don't break as easily. I don't want to spend hours fixing a system (hers or mine tbh) unless I have to. For anything that I need the latest features for, there's usually a repo I can add to Aptitude or a Flatpak.

[–] anonymoose@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah, the rock-solid stability of Debian stable is definitely a huge plus. I thought I would be okay with less frequent updates, but I changed my mind when I realized cool updates like KDE 6 won't make it to stable probably until next year T__T. Even Nvidia 555 drivers probably won't even hit backports for a while. Clearly the responsible thing to do here is to add an Arch install alongside my Debian/W11 dual-boot 😛

Not using a DE sounds intriguing, I might give that a try once I find my feet on desktop Linux. I've been around *nix systems most of my career, but I haven't used a Linux desktop as a daily driver in like 15 years. It's funny how much has changed, and how much hasn't.

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[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 29 points 4 months ago (15 children)

How much of this is decline at the expense of Windows 11, due to Steam lowering barriers to entry, fatigue with Windows' hard selling, and/or extending the useful like of hardware that W11 abandoned.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Copilot / Recall was the last straw for me. My only relationship with Microsoft for the last 10 years has been, "how much more of Microsoft's sh*t am I willing to put up with?"

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

First off, I DO NOT count ChromeOS, but whatever.

Secondly, when is 18% of anything “dominant”??? The fuck? Arstechnica back up off the pipe.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They probably mean of Linux flavored ps coverage.

(I'm aware Mac is very different than Linux, but it is more closely grouped with Linux than Windows)

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Played csgo last night and this guy brought up he was playing on Linux Mint. Lfg, I was so happy.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Music and graphic art software is the only advantage I can find for MacOS over Linux at this point. I love the Apple silicon but I don't see that being a long term advantage.

[–] anonymoose@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Stability and UI/UX are still lightyears ahead in Mac, and to some extent Windows. Don't get me wrong, they suck for lots of reasons, but I think Linux has a lot of catching up to do to be as usable as Mac/Windows for the ordinary user.

I think standardizing package formats, and more mature desktop managers and proprietary drivers will go a long way to fixing that though.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (8 children)

People find Windows easier to use because they are used to the quirks. Of course you shouldn't let a beginner try Arch, but there are plenty of beginner friendly distros. The complications often come from installing Linux in the first place but the average user will have just as much trouble installing Windows.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think most users dont install windows period. It just comes with the computer. And if it breaks, they get a new one. Thats it.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that's my point. If people could buy Linux PCs at Best Buy or Walmart, most of them would get on with it just fine.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Agree. Windows has almost a forty year “quirk bake-in”. All your relatives and non-savvy friends are NOT going to learn anything new (even mac) if they can help it.

The more droolproof linux can be the easier it will be adopted. Whether or not it mimics windows is a choice, but either way we’re losing computer literacy instead of everyone being computer literate. Sadly.

[–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 2 points 4 months ago

It’s not even that.

By and large, most industry standard softwares are only available on Windows and macOS. Take word processing for example. It doesn’t matter if there are open source alternatives that gets it 95% of the way there. Companies by and large would not want to run the risk of that last 5% (1%, 0.01% doesn’t matter) creating a situation where there’s misunderstanding with another business entity. Companies will by and large continue to purchase and expect their employees to use these standard softwares. People will by and large continue to train themselves to use these softwares so they have employable skills so they can put food on the table.

No one cares about how easy or hard it is to install something. IT (or local brick and mortar computer retailer) takes care of all that. Whether or not it is compatible with consistently making money / putting food on the table is way more important.

Until we have Microsoft Office for Linux; Adobe Creative Suite for Linux; Autodeks AutoCAD for Linux; etc etc. not even the janky “Microsoft Office for Mac” little cousin implementation but proper actual first party for Linux releases, it is unlikely we’ll see competitive level of Linux desktop adoption.

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[–] sunzu@kbin.run 7 points 4 months ago (9 children)

What is your definition of stability lol

Windows crashes are standard... Linux are pretty rare. At least in my exp

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[–] iopq@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I struggle to do the same things on the Mac that are trivial in Windows and Linux.

For example, I gave up on Homebrew because it was difficult to install. For one thing, it required me to set up an Apple developer account on my version of MacOS

I don't use my girlfriend's Mac book because the OS is not as intuitive, like I found out recently you have to drag the icon in to install things. Who comes up with this shit?

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I gave up on Homebrew because it was difficult to install.

It just includes as a dependency the Mac command line developer tools, which can be installed pretty easily from what I remember.

And what I like is that it's a normal Unix style shell, with almost all the utilities you'd expect.

you have to drag the icon in to install things.

I mean that's about 100 times better than Windows' default of running an installer that isn't easily reversible.

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[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

High DPI screen support in Linux is still troublesome, especially between multiple screens with different DPI/resolution, especially between GTK and Qt programs.

And I haven't played around with Asahi yet, but it'll be hard to top the built-in power/suspend/hibernate/resume behavior and its effect on battery life (especially in being able to just count on it to work if you suspend for days, where it seamlessly switches to hibernate and starts back up very quickly). But on my old Intel MacBook, the battery life difference between MacOS and and Linux is probably two to one. Some of it is Apple's fault for refusing to document certain firmware/hardware features, but the experience is the experience.

[–] anonymoose@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

High DPI screen support in Linux is still troublesome, especially between multiple screens with different DPI/resolution, especially between GTK and Qt programs

Hopefully the success of Steam Deck will push manufacturers to increase their investment into Linux driver development. Having only used Linux servers in the past decade or so, I was pleasantly surprised when I came back to Linux desktop and realized that there were no other drivers (except Nvidia) to install since everything was baked into the kernel! Incredibly convenient!

it'll be hard to top the built-in power/suspend/hibernate/resume behavior and its effect on battery life

Yeah, it's difficult to compete with a fully vertically integrated stack like Apple's, and they do lock down things so other software is always at a disadvantage. Hopefully Linux laptops become competitive so this improves.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

This isn't going to be the standard much longer. Gimp, Krita, and inkscape are extremely well developed and maintained.

Ardour is almost a full replacement for logic and the gap from it and protools is closing quick.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I'm by no means a musician, let alone a professional one, but this part does admittedly suck. The actual sound backend works phenomenally well, especially when combining Pipewire and JACK for audio production, however using Windows-native VST/VST3 plugins is a horrible experience. A lot of mine are either really laggy, or just don't load properly at all

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[–] kinsnik@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"dominance"... You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It's cool and all, but I'm surprised it's not 10% at this point. Microsoft is shitting in their customers mouth and Apple is a luxury brand at this point.

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 14 points 4 months ago

Because every computer bought by the average human being, has Windows on it.

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What happened in Nov 2023?

OSX and Windows move in opposite directions at the same time? Seems a little weird.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] thenumbernine@infosec.pub 3 points 4 months ago

Since Unknown matches Windows only inverted some windows update was probably unclassified for that time period.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Probably sampling bias. Happens in steam surveys all the time, correlates to Chinese users being more or less represented in the sample

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