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[–] airportline@lemmy.ml 70 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can this country stop falling apart for one week please?

[–] OofShoot@beehaw.org 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We've been warning about dangerous infrastructure for years now. It'll only get worse until we start building for the next millennium.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sure, and that future likely involves a lot of trains.

I want super high speed rail instead of airplanes. I want regular high speed rail instead of highways. I want medium speed rail instead of roads. And so on. The technology is there, and we already have the land for most of it, we just need to stop building so many roads and actually build solid rail infrastructure.

[–] Naura@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago

Agreed.

I live in the Bay Area and because of my anxiety I can’t drive, but I can get to most places I need to be by BART/light rail.

it’s just one mode of transportation. In Japan also have a comprehensive bus system as well as small towns you can only get by car which rail trains use to service in the 1900s.

People will still have cars. We’ll still have roads and their big dick trucks. I don’t understand how this is a bad idea. LA to Vegas high speed would have been amazing. I lived in oak hills by the 15 seeing the traffic and how many people die on the pass due to car accidents was just horrifying.

[–] ASCIIansi@infosec.pub -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, that should be an option too!

If you visit Europe or Japan, you'll find that trains and airplanes both exist, and both are popular and inexpensive. That's what I'd like to see happen elsewhere in the world as well, rely less on personal vehicles and more on mass transit, though preserve each as an option.

[–] airportline@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’ll only get worse until we start building for the next millennium.

I guess we're fucked then

[–] OofShoot@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, I agree. It's not hard to build infrastructure that lasts forever, it's just no one wants to pay for it.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I would gladly pay for it. Unfortunately most of us that would gladly pay for it can't afford to pay for it. And the people that could afford to pay for it don't get rich by spending their own money. They want everyone else to spend their money on it so they can use it for free.

[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is the reason why no one wants pay for it?

[–] Appleseuss@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To build that infrastructure, an increase in taxes will be needed. The middle and lower tax brackets can't afford any additional taxes at this time, so that leaves corporations and the upper tax brackets that will need to foot the bill. They don't want that, so they pay to have campaigns of ignorance blasted at the masses to induce fear of any tax reform.

At the end of the day, nothing gets fixed and the wealthy keep their money.

[–] stankbucket@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Or things get fixed at 10x what the actual costs should be because the people who award the contract are paid with part of that excess and it helps them keep the seat that allows them to continue funneling money.

[–] tldrbot@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

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[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] grte@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

It's just a spike it'll soon stabilize!

[–] Seven@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

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[–] Seasons@lemmy.fmhy.ml 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love crumbling infrastructure, it’s my favorite.

Thank you government

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you wealthy capitalists and oligarchs who bought control of government.

[–] stankbucket@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And thank you government for allowing the continued sale of all power to the highest bidder because of your refusal to punish open bribery.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Government is us. We've got no one to blame for this but ourselves. I mean people like you and myself might see this as the obvious problem. But far too many people are oblivious or simply don't have a problem with it. Or have been made to feel that we have little resource for it and simply must accept it.

5 updoots says the rail companies were responsible for the upkeep on the bridge.

[–] zeusbottom@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We love our infrastructure, but we don’t want to pay for the upkeep.

[–] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

A huge infrastructure bill got passed recently. Of course, that doesn’t mean it all gets fixed right away.

[–] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Average Usonian democracy working as intended.

[–] Shinhoshi@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Funny seeing you here! Can you explain the “Usonian” thing?

I get it refers to the US, but not past that…

[–] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, I'm a Latinamerican, and we kind of hate people from the US are called American, but that term is kind of shitty since everyone in the Americas are American, so they are appropriating of something it's not only theirs. In Spanish that word doesn't even exist, we use "Estadounidense" which translates to something as "Statesian", but in my opinion it's not that good of a term. In Esperanto there's the word "Usono" which means the same, so I adapted it more to an English style "Usonian". There's a really good song by Residente, who previously was part of Calle 13, that talks about this, and he did it as a response to Childish Gambino's "This is America". Its English subtitles are pretty decent, so you can listen to it that way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK87AKIPyZY

[–] Shinhoshi@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for the explanation! I agree that it would be nice to have a word for estadounidense in English too.

Also, can you explain “encabronao” at 0:45 in the video? Why wouldn’t it be “encabronado”?

I liked the song, thanks for sharing it!

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

As far as I know, it's a Frank Lloyd Wright thing about radical decentralization/individualism.

Most sources on the web are unhelpful because they only talk about it as applied to architecture, but he had a bunch of ideas about urban planning (or rather, anti-urban planning) that are much less well known and get drowned out in the noise.

Here's one half-decent article I've managed to find about it

The TL;DR is that Wright liked the idea of basically replacing cities with endless suburbia/Jeffersonian hobby farms interspersed with small towns, such that everything would be self-contained/self-sufficient. Or something like that, anyway. (In hindsight, the legacy of Wright's idea is that American society took the "spread everything out" part without the "and get rid of cities" part and invented disastrous suburban sprawl.)

Anyway, I think "usonian" is being used here to allude to the idea of failing to provide sufficient Federal funding for infrastructure because of misguided individualism, maybe?

[–] xohshoo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

agree, it's a Frank Lloyd Wright thing maybe mixed with Esperanto. It comes from abbreviating United States of North America (USONA), then because it's popularity around the time of it's invention by Zamenhof, was adopted into Esperanto as the name of USA, somewhat modified as "Usono" https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landnomo_kaj_lo%C4%9Dantoj_pri_Usono

I'm not sure if @sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml is an esperantisto or if it's used in other contexts as well

[–] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Check my comment, I explained better.

[–] ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hmm last nights news was way more entertaining.

Lately we had:

Extra juicy Trump indictments

Suspenseful submarine countdown

Andrew Tate charged

Putin’s military disregarding his orders while under imminent threat

I’m sure I missed something else.

Gonna be hard to top that. And I’m not sure I want anything to.

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