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[–] danielton@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I once got a tip prompt on one of those self service kiosks that defaulted to 15%, had options for 20%, and 25%, and there wasn't a button for no tip.

To not leave a tip, I had to hit Custom, and type in 0.00. They obviously wanted to make leaving no tip as hard as possible without removing it altogether.

[–] marswarrior@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] danielton@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It was at some chicken place at a local mall.

[–] lemmy_party@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the way most of the ones around me work. It's extra frustrating because as soon as you start pressing extra buttons the cashier knows you are not giving a tip. I tip generously at dine in restaurants but tipping for pickup is ridiculous.

[–] danielton@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I remember in 2021, Wall Street Journal and Readers Digest started pushing the idea that now that covid exists, everybody needs to be tipped unless they legally can't be (like US mail carriers). I worked in customer service until almost two years ago and I find the idea of having to tip everybody everywhere to be ridiculous. I put their stuff in a bag and handed it to them. Why should I have been entitled to having to guilt people into giving me extra money for doing my job?

https://www.rd.com/article/how-much-to-tip/

[–] Nitrate55@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago

Since it's self-service, I'll just tip myself by keeping the money lol

[–] baascus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Paying $15 for that wrap is the real crime. Why do you shop there?

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Skymt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

An explanation, but not an excuse.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

those prices turn nice people into hijackers

[–] Hotdogman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Hijacking is soo 80's. Gotta up your game.

[–] felttrip@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do I get the tip in this instance?

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Is this at the Newark airport? I flew through there a couple weeks ago and think I went to this same checkout and was equally annoyed.

[–] golamas1999@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a 3% tax added specifically to cover extra pay for Airport Workers. Why are you being asked to tip for a self service kiosk.

I hate this. If I don’t tip I’m an asshole. If I tip I let companies pay their workers like garbage.

Dear companies. Pay your employees more. Frankly I’d be less insulted if they just rose the price by 20% then asking me to tip. IMHO if they employers did this they would just pocket the difference.

And I’m guessing bus boys are paid even less than the server.

[–] VioletteRei@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You're not a asshole if you don't tip, it's not your fault if companies don't treat their employees right

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We need some common sense regulations on tips and hidden fees. They need to be limited in some way at this point and, preferably just banned altogether.

[–] Greenskye@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

For a start, regulations that force any system with 'quick tip' buttons of 15/20/etc % HAVE to have a No Tip option as well. Can't force your customers to type out 0.00.

[–] 5200@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How about: The full price (including all unavoidable fees, etc.) must be listed and offered to the customer at all times?

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It would also be nice to have prices listed including tax, which I believe is how it’s done in the EU.

[–] Skellybones@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Just steal at that point

[–] cornbreadhotel@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

FYI - the airport workers don't care if you put $0 for the tip. In fact, this terminal has a very convenient "No Tip" button right there, which is better than the ones which require you to hit Custom then select "$0".

In fact, I've yet to find a single person who has objected to me putting $0 in one of these terminals. I've even asked when they are standing right in front of me, Do You Get This Tip? And in all cases, they've said no.

So it's a pure money grab by the management. So feel good about putting in a $0!

[–] insomnium138@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I don't understanding tipping up front. Before you've received your food...

Also feels like a threat asking for a tip immediately... Like, if you don't tip or they don't like the amount, the person making it is going to deliberately fuck with the food.

[–] Crisps@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don’t tip if you’re standing up!

[–] BigPapaE@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Haha I guess I have a new personal motto

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

I'll have to remember that!

[–] key@lemmy.keychat.org 2 points 1 year ago

You should have bought something less healthy so you wouldn't have to pay the 3% fee

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago
[–] ech0@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

$25 for a god damn wrap and water?? Are you serious? I can go to a Mexican restaurant and get chips & salsa and Fajitas for 2 and a Coke for for cheaper!

[–] cornbreadhotel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

CIBO Express is at the Newark New Jersey Airport. So the price is the usual airport overpriced stuff.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is seemingly an American only phenomenon. No one likes tipping, but if you patronize an establishment that abuses its staff with unlivable wages, you're condoning bad business. At least help the server out if they put in the effort. At a self checkout though??? foh

[–] the_right_god@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is ridiculous ...

[–] tallwookie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

wow nice, where is that so I can avoid it like the black plague? that's ~$6 food anywhere else.

[–] cornbreadhotel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is the CIBO Express at Newark International Airport, based on the receipt and the packaging. So it's over-priced airport food!

[–] Quills@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whata... Who's is the tipping supposed to go to??

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Shareholders

[–] neanderthal@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What happens if you put a negative number in the other box? Does it refund your card for that amount?

If it worked, IANAL, but they did ask how much you wanted to tip and willingly gave you money...seems like a solid defense...any lawyers wanna chime in?

[–] minimar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Enter tip amount:

DROP TABLE *;

[–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Agreed. I had more empathy for tipping workers at self-service / carryout settings during the height of the pandemic (which is not over BTW). Now... Given that management has programmed these registers I find myself grudgingly tipping since I have to wonder if management has started paying them even more inadequately in anticipation of tipping.

I have somewhat magically decided I tip 10% at these things as there is no real guidance anymore. 20% for table service. Delivery... 15-20%?

Of course someone will come along saying to tip 0% to hold the line and force fair wages. I have some understanding of that argument too.

[–] TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like tipping when you're the one doing the checkout means not charging yourself for something? Not really sure how else to view that.

[–] Labotomized@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I literally throw one or two sometimes a few things in the bag every time i use one of these as compensation for my efforts. I make it look accidental too by sliding it over the scanner and throwing it in there without skipping a beat. Maybe if they hired cashiers who need the work they would do better on their shrink targets.

[–] DevoidWisdom@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like this is just a lazy one system design for all. Its like subway's question when paying with credit card. I'm not tipping them to make a sandwich, just charge more for the sandwich.

[–] Dick_Justice@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I suspect you're correct. It's probably a default part of the POS system's checkout screens, and the manager is too technologically illiterate to customize it, or too lazy.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago