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[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 62 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Mostly good stuff. I don't think I'd merge house and Senate. Some of them need more constraint, like I'd legalize prostitution, but only if it's regulated like restaurants (health inspectors, workers rights, etc.).

[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (10 children)

What is your solution the massively disproportionate representation in the senate then? There are currently around 66.7 Californians for every Wyomingite. Do you think Wyomingites deserve 66.7 times the representation in the Senate? And yes, legalization would occur with reasonable regulations which would make sure the industry is safer for all those involved. I tried to keep the list as concise as possible for each issue reformed.

[–] stevestevesteve@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

Do you think wyoming deserves to be a state? Every state gets the same representation in the Senate and I think that's fair. I don't think it's fair that the proportional side of the legislature isn't proportional anymore, though, and fixing that goes a very long way.

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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 38 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The last one could just be "free education"

[–] ajmaxwell@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Could? I think it should be.

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[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I’m 90-95% on board, which is astounding considering the current options. Now fleshing out the legislation to make this transition possible…

[–] stevestevesteve@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Exactly my thought. This may as well be a list that has one bullet point "* fix America" without a lot more detail on most of these

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[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Mandatory voting just adds semi-random votes, skewing the proportion of people who are really voting for their own interests, but rather out of vibes due to obligation. Holiday on voting days and repealing of disenfranchisement measures work much better.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

One minor twist: the legislation mandates that one reports to the polling center. The uninformed can select "none of the above" if they are not sure what would be best.

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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

All the points are nice but the plan does not "make sense" in the sense that it will probably never happen (at least within our lifetimes).

[–] cryptosporidium140@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We need a new country with a fresh constitution based on these ideals and what we've learned since the last one. Like what the US did to the British in 1776, but again and better

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I don't really see "new countries" being a thing in that way ever again. The USA was new because a "new" piece of land was literally found (well obviously it was already found by other people but you get what I mean).

There is no new land to find today. You can't just set off and create a new country - all of the land is already taken. You'll need to work within the confines of the current countries and try your best to improve them gradually.

At least, any other approach would probably be very bloody...

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

Free education.

No private/charter schools.

Religions are businesses and pay taxes.

Ban religious-justified discrimination.

Religion is private between you and God.

Absolute separation between church and state.

Repeal all religion based laws.

[–] NIB@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago (12 children)

I dont understand why Americans are horny for mandatory voting. Voting is mandatory in Greece, it makes no difference. It is theoretically illegal to not vote but are you going to imprison people for not voting? So it isnt enforced, at all.

No one is voting because it is mandatory. Greece has 60% participation.

[–] Uranium_Green@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I believe Australia has mandatory voting and achieves a ~95% participation of registered voters basically every election, though they do enforce it with either a day in court or a fine.

I do wonder if you fined people, or wasted a day of theirs with court, whether it would have an impact in Greece after a couple of elections?

[–] Event_Horizon@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

We swing between 93-95% participation

We alao make voting as easy as possible with voting opening 2-4 weeks in advance of election day, election day is always a weekend and as long as you vote before or on election day it's counted.

Also democracy sausages

I think such a high turn out makes our politicians a bit more honest with less empty promises since they can't dissuade anyone from voting.

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[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)
  • internet listed as an essential utility like water, power, and phone services
[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that would be included in "Municipalize internet service".

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[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

Ok so..

Mandatory voting

I think this can get messy. It would require a system to prosecute those who don't vote. That kind of registry can be very easily used for nefarious purposes by politicians or just anyone with access to that information. Also, it would really depend on what degree of mandatory this is. If you get thrown in jail then we are going to see a lot of poor people in prison for no reason. If you get just a fine then we are essentially introducing the inverse of a poll tax. Not voting is a protected form of free speech for a reason and can be interpreted as protest.

Merge house into senate

Last time something like this was posted I got flamed for asking what the point of this one is. The Senate is a representation of the states rights we have in our constitution. It serves as a safeguard against heavily populated areas dictating the laws for much less populated states. I'm all for reform but eliminating the Senate all together seems like a step backwards.

Ban tipping

I think this is another one where the spirit of the idea is right but the execution is wrong. What we need to ban is allowing restaurants to pay tipped positions far below minimum wage, and stop allowing restaurants to take a cut of the tip at all.

The act of tipping itself is a cultural thing it needs to be addressed culturally. If you can't tip someone for something, complications in the law arise that may disallow giving money to people in general. For example how do you distinguish between tipping a server for a meal and giving the server a dollar as a gift?

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[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Yeah except increase taxes on highest income bracket by 65, not 5%.

[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (7 children)

How tf Americans don't have a holiday on voting day 😭

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 months ago

What about making the highest tax bracket immutable.

Basically, anyone earning more than that amount, for every dollar of earnings above that amount, taxes cannot be exempted, refunded or otherwise redirected.

Say that tax bracket is 500k/yr, and some rich fuck earns 2M. They must pay the tax, whatever percent of tax that is, on the final 1.5M of earnings. So if it's 50% taxes, they must pay $750k, plus whatever taxation is applicable to the first $500k. They can't skirt it by putting that money into a tax shelter or by donating it to the corrupt charity that they run.

[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago (11 children)

You forgot "embrace the metric system".

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[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

Merg Senate in house: no: checks and balances.

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[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Not sure if your list is ordered or not, but I would order it in a way where the top N can be implemented sensibly.

For instance, banning tax preparation companies is a bad idea if you haven't first made the IRS file your taxes for you, but your list had the former above the latter.

Likewise, the voting stuff only makes sense if implemented backwards from how you have it:

  • national holiday first
  • mail in for all second
  • mandatory third (this is getting a bit...overreachy?)
[–] Gomiyboy@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

A commendable attempt at building the foundations of a progressive movement that breaks the current political stagnation we have endured for the past forty years or more.

Unfortunately the majority of people are inexplicably content to be shafted by successive governments whatever their political persuasion.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 9 points 6 months ago (5 children)
[–] logi@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm on team anything but FPTP. The sane voting vote is split!

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[–] stevestevesteve@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (10 children)
  • ranked choice voting - ok I think we can agree here
  • Mandatory voting - how? Currently voting is handled state by state, you want to make the federal government take that over? What would the punishment be for not voting? Frankly I disagree with this
  • Universal vote by mail - even more how? Again, federal takeover of voting process? How do you ensure no votes are lost especially when someone will be punished for not voting?
  • Voting day national holiday - definitely agree.
  • Legalize marijuana - this takes a lot more than just saying "marijuana is legal now." Are previous marijuana related convictions going to be overturned, if so how? Are marijuana sales going to be regulated? If so how?
  • Legalize prostitution - similar questions as with marijuana
  • Revert citizens United - certainly agree here but that's a big fuckin how? It was explicitly the supreme court overruling a law passed by Congress. Amend the Constitution to say something explicit?
  • Abolish corporate home ownership - very strange stuff here because you start touching on the above, too. Maybe more you're looking to cancel corporate personhood but that comes with a huge amount of problems too
  • Abolish electoral college - sure why not if you've solved the voting issues above
  • Abolish gerrymandering - this is what made me make this response in the first place. You can't just say "abolish gerrymandering" without some plan for it. That's like saying "abolish borders" like it's meaningful. How? Who decides what districts look like? Will there still be districts? If not how will representation be determined?
  • Abolish filibuster - I think the filibuster is fine. If everything else on this list goes through, hopefully we have meaningful ways of ousting useless obstructionist politicians instead
  • Merge Senate into house - why? What does this solve?
  • Remove house rep cap - FUCKING agreed. The cap is unconstitutional and absurd
  • Universal healthcare - lots of hows here too but Obamacare was a good start and I'm down with single payer
  • Universal basic income - how much? Does it count toward the 50k below?
  • Income up to $50k untaxed - fine. I also think any monetary amount in the legislature should be increased by the CPI automatically every year. Fines, limits, payouts, etc.
  • Ban tax prep - hmm ok
  • IRS files taxes for citizens - how does this work? Is tax code flattened to make it so citizens have no choices to make? Do things like tax credits for buying solar panels go away?
  • Vat for luxury items - who decides what's luxury?
  • Supreme Court 15 year limit - disagree, the whole point of lifetime terms is to prevent getting what's yours and getting out.
  • Increase highest bracket tax - sure why not
  • Collateral for loan is realized gain - expand?
  • Abolish PACs and lobbying
  • Politicians banned from stocks - so they can't own shares of any companies? Or they just can't trade while in office? Does this go for any elected official? More than just elected officials?
  • Municipalize Internet - at a minimum declare it a utility. What's the rest of the plan?
  • Abortion constitutional right - I'd argue it already is one, though the supreme Court evidently isn't in agreement. An explicit "bodily autonomy" amendment would be nice. Add a right to privacy to that too, expanding on the 4th.
  • Ban tipping - idk if I agree with trying to codify what should be a cultural change, but I'm generally on board with the Idea. There's a million loopholes to close in any language to this effect
  • free financial education - just like... Government funded seminars? Mandated high school courses? What do you take out to fit this in?
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Mandatory voting - how? Currently voting is handled state by state, you want to make the federal government take that over? What would the punishment be for not voting? Frankly I disagree with this

Tax credit for voting. Make it count like a $50 charitable donation would.

If you're thinking, now, "but then poor people would always vote and rich people would be off sailing their yacht", I completely agree.

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[–] wookiestackhouse@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

We have mandatory voting in Australia. It's "enforced" by a AU$20 fine. Not really a true punishment, more like a nudge. It's more of a societal understanding here, you turn up to a polling place as a civil duty. You can donkey vote if you want, you can draw a cock on the ballot form and invalidate it, doesn't matter. As long as you got your name crossed off, and most importantly had the opportunity to vote, then you're clear. I wouldn't have it any other way, it means that there can't be changes to dissuade people from voting, and politicians don't resort to wildly populist policies to try and encourage people to come out to vote. Also helps that federal elections always occur on a Saturday, and employers are required to give time off in order to vote.

[–] palebluethought@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

100% on the "lots of missing 'how's" point. You skipped the "ban lobbying" one, which is probably the second biggest "how" after the gerrymandering.

Lobbying is not some official policy or process. Senators don't have "lobbying hours." Lobbying is basically just "being at lunches and parties that politicians are at." Unless you're proposing Congress not be allowed to go out in public and live as secluded monks, I don't see how you "abolish" it..

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Reverse Harlow V Fitzgerald, that illegally set up Qualified Immunity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/us/politics/qualified-immunity-supreme-court.html

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Instead of banning tipping, the law should maybe require to include all costs. This should not just apply to stuff served, but anything.

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[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (10 children)

How you gonna afford all the social schemes with no tax under $50K? I have "free" healthcare but it's 2% of my taxable income. The taxable brackets start at $18,200 ($11,880 USD) here. You'll need to ensure there is finance for social services else you'll be bringing harm to your society in the form of failed infrastructure.

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[–] tyler@programming.dev 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ranked choice is quite terrible actually, barely better than Plurality (also known as FPTP). The center for election science has a whole article on it here. https://electionscience.github.io/vse-sim/

3-2-1 voting and STAR are the best choices, but the CES actually advocates for approval due to logistics and people getting confused by 321 and star.

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[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

#1. Truly abolish slavery. #2. Change the legal system from punishment to rehabilitation. #3. Congress gets minimum wage. #4. Minimum wage and unemployment must be a livable wage.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Why would a two party system implement ranked choice if everyone is stupid enough to keep voting for them? They're not going to shoot themselves in the foot.

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 6 months ago (9 children)

mandatory voting

what the fuck lmao? where did this come from, genuinely asking this is so authoritarian and out of place among the rest of the stuff

[–] noisefree@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Australia has had mandatory voting for eligible voters (18+) for a long time. It works like this:

Prior to elections, the Australian Electoral Commission updates the electoral roll of all eligible voters. On election day, voters have their names crossed off the roll at whichever polling place they attend.

After the election, the electoral roll is cross-checked against voter records. Anyone who didn't vote and can't provide a valid reason (for example - illness, living remotely, religious beliefs) is issued a $20 fine by the AEC. If not paid, this can escalate to further fines of around $180 plus court costs if convicted.

Over 180,000 penalty notices were issued after the 2022 federal election to enforce the compulsory voting laws. While controversial to some, the system has maintained over 90% voter turnout in Australia for nearly a century.

A similar system would probably moderate political extremes in the US. I think any fine that is used as a means of enforcement needs to be scaled to the means of the individual being fined in order to not disproportionately target lower wealth individuals (but an elimination of the enforcement fine completely for the lower end of the wealth scale would maybe ironically result in less from that group voting and thus give them disproportionately lower representation in outcomes).

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