I'll never forget what the Democratic party did to Sanders. Hillary gave us Trump.
this post was submitted on 10 Mar 2024
133 points (97.8% liked)
politics
18797 readers
2802 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Sanders actually uploads a video of his speeches in congress on this subject at least once a week over on his YouTube channel. Been really consistent in this message.
Bernie is one of the most savvy politicians in US history.
He didn't win the 2016 race for president. But he determined the direction and scope of Democratic policy almost in its entirety.
His leadership led to the modern progressive movement.
His policies basically became Bidens 2020 campaign.
His leadership is the direction Bidens' campaign will have to go if they want to get elected.
Its just a great example of how to actually wield power.
I would like some of whatever you're smoking.
Just a basic read of history. Maybe try the news?
But he determined the direction and scope of Democratic policy almost in its entirety
I wouldn't agree with this.
In terms of the progressive wing pushing the agenda under Biden, Liz Warren has had far more direct impact.
Warren was rather famously successful in landing allies into key positions in banking, education, and labor regulatory agencies. These are the sort of moves that are less flashy, but have played a large part in why we've seen things like debt cancellation pushes and a resurgence in antitrust action since Biden took office.
What you are talking about happened after the election and the point I made was that Biden ran on a lift and shift of progressive policies, specifically, that it wasn't Bidens policies that got him elected, it was Bernies policies that got Biden elected.
I'm sure the friends Warren keeps are more palatable to Biden then the company Bernie keeps. But if Biden is looking to get elected again, he might reconsider how his bread gets buttered.
Has Israel called him antisemit yet?
I think so.
This man has never considered criticism of Israel to be anti-Semitic (or at least not in the near past). And he's Jewish.
He wanted to protect Gay people, transgender people, black people, atheists, Muslims or simply all Americans. He wanted to end our main political parties practice of favoring lobbyists over the citizens. Unfortunately that obviously goes against American values so yeah, Biden vs Trump Part 2. 🤦♀️
Since that's a video link:
“It’s not just that 30,000 people, two-thirds of them are women and children, have already been killed. We are looking at the possibility of hundreds of thousands of children starving to death,” Sanders said. According to Gaza’s Healthy Ministry, Israel’s bombardments and ground assaults have killed more than 30,000 people in the besieged strip, and others are dying of starvation.
“The United States of America cannot be complicit in this mass slaughter of children,” Sanders said Sunday during an interview on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” The administration, he added, “can’t beg Netanyahu. You got to tell him ‘If you want any money, you have to change your policy. Allow the trucks to come in to feed the children.’”
Sanders, who also remains insistent that Hamas must be destroyed, has called on Biden to enforce the Foreign Assistance Act, which says that the U.S. will not send aid to any country that blocks or restricts the flow of U.S. humanitarian assistance.
“It turns out that Israel is in violation of the law. Stopping American humanitarian aid is in violation of the law. That should be clear. No more money to Netanyahu’s war machine to kill Palestinian children,” Sanders said Sunday.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/10/sanders-netanyahu-palestinians-israel-00146152
The only thing Israel will listen to is is cutting their funding, and legally we are required to cut their funding.
But Biden won't do it.
Like he's said for 50 years, he's a Zionist. He can't criticize Israel no matter what
You're missing context. This is an election year in the US. Biden is running against Trump, who said Israel should "finish the problem” by continuing and expanding bombing of civilians. So, as bad of a choice it is, proponents of peace should vote, and vote Democrat. At least until we can reform this shitty Electoral College/2-party system we currently have...
At that point there won't be a Gaza.
Nobody mentioned Trump. This is about Biden. It is so pathetic that this exact same argument comes out of the woodwork every single time someone rightfully criticizes Biden on this issue. The US is funding a genocide and all you people can do is wring your hands and bitch about how Trump is worse. Biden is the president, and mistakes he makes are on him.
There is no missing context. You are just trying to make this conversation about the election instead of about doing what is morally right and should be expected of any humane, democratic president.
Ah yes, handwave away important context by claiming there is no missing context. There are only two options in this matter. Tearing down option 1 only leaves option 2, which will be far worse for the people you pretend to care about.
Go back to your troll farm.
So by your logic when is the next time we're allowed to criticise Biden? Won't it be too late for Gaza by November? It's basically already destroyed
the people you pretend to care about.
&
Go back to your troll farm.
Not sure why it's so hard for you to believe I'm being genuine?
You're using context to justify support for genocide.
Biden should stop supporting genocide.
Israel can then get their weapons and money from Russia or China, who have fantastic records on genocide.
As a bonus Israel can then give US military secrets to their new benefactor, giving them an edge in defeating western weapon systems deployed in Ukraine and Taiwan.
There is no easy solution here.
Oh in that case genocide is totally okay then. Disgusting logic.
The fuk?
The fuk Israel gonna get their weapons from if Biden stops selling to them? I already told you.
Dumbest Lemmy user.
All those weapons that Israel has are western weapons. Meaning that Israel would have to buy new artillery, aircraft and mechanized units in order to use Russian/Chinese calibers and Launch Systems. Not to mention that politically Russia and China don’t remotely align with Israel and actively campaign and work against them. Nuance, like the other user said, would help you, but so would being quiet.
Yeah, Ukraine is turning its nose up at Bradleys, F-16s, and Patriot missiles. After all why change from their old Soviet and Warsaw pact systems?
And yeah, Russia and Israel are totally not aligned, which is why Russia and Israel never made deals to stop supplying each others enemies with weapons.
Putin and Bibi are total enemies!
Now of course Bibi walked some of this back after some US pressure, but that pressure is in the form of further aid and weapon sales.
Do you see the dilemma more clearly now?
Ukraine has a shit load of old Soviet era stuff. Of course they need supplies around that. They also keep asking for more F-16s and ammo for our weapons platforms we gave them. What does Ukraine and the weapons they use have to do with Israel?
Israel uses NATO standards for basically everything and the iron dome is effectively patriots. That’s all western tech with western specs. Russia and China would have to either create whole new missiles and calibers to fit, or they would have to buy older or brand new weapons systems and platforms which would take a decade plus to switch to.
Congrats on finding out how diplomacy works. Diplomacy isn’t a unit of measurement nor is it a spec. Which is what all those NATO spec weapons are that currently Israel is using.
Good luck having a nuanced position that confronts geopolitical reality on social media. I love Bernie, and I agree with his position here, but he only has the luxury of having this position because he's not president. Joe Biden is going to do whatever it takes to maintain an American presence in the Levant, and so would any other president. The consequences of turning Israel over to Russia or China would be calamitous--as in, the end of US hegemony--because we don't have an alternative in the region.
It's futile, let these very useful folks chant "Genocide Joe" and then put on their best shocked pikachu faces after Trump mysteriously wins. I don't support genocide, but I also don't support two rogue nuclear super powers actively stealing territory from their neighbors every 3-4 years while ACTIVELY pursuing genocide.
Like the solution to the trolley problem for these people is to deny the trolley even exists or that they are at the switch.
have they even threatened to do something like that? i don't think that would work out for them.
They have made veiled threats before:
In an ideal world nobody would sell Israel arms until they stop the genocide and begin a two state solution, but in reality Israel has options, options that are far worse than the status quo.
i think that's bluster. in fact, i say "let them". let them. i don't want to be complicit in their genocide. let them beg putin.
Diplomacy and stability don't run on embracing the unknown. There is a non-zero chance Russia will give Israel all the weapons it needs, there is Russian influence in Israel and Russian Jews hold significant sway in Israeli politics.
How much do you think Russia cares about genocide when they are actively committing one in Ukraine? Maybe think about how much Russia cared about how many civilians Assad has killed.
Bruh Israel is already heavily Russian, it has become over run since the iron curtain fell with former soviet bloc members who fled to get a western passport at the first opportunity. Unsurprisingly many of their children are incredible racists, because their bloodline literally saved them from Russian destitution. Like if they actually thought Russia was worth something they wouldn't even be in Israel.
if we could regain our moral authority, i think we could stop a genocide.
don't forget about the Israel Anti-Boycott Act.
Bernie finally wants the genocide to end?
Yes...?
Bet he gets stripped of committee positions for this.
I mean if they did, the Democrats can start selling speedos to ride the incoming red wave.
These kids need to learn who gets them elected.
Guess he's going to have to speak to his colleagues. So far he's lost these votes.