Why the fuck is humanity so completely deranged? :(
this post was submitted on 20 Jun 2023
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I have no fucking clue but it gets tiring...
I wonder if we're actually getting worse or if it's just easier for the scum to coordinate and to some degree also be more visible due to the internet.
It is starting to feel like things used to be better, like we're spiraling out of control.
There were more and more mass shootings, the alt right/extremists are spreading like a wild fire all over the globe, shit like this keeps happening.
I mean what the fuck? Where are we heading? And why? :/
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Silver lining, they were caught.
I made such a surprised face when the torture mogul decided to pose in front of a Trump flag. 😐
"I'm not a bad guy," claims man with swastika tatoo, standing in front of Confederate flag.
This is by far the most fucked up thing I've read in a long time. What the fuck is wrong with people? There is no punishment too inhumane for anyone who would do this.
Do you feel the same way about people who eat meat?
I don't feel like that's a fair comparison. Meat consumption has a lot of issues, but the consumer, at the end of the production chain, does not eat his steak with the mindset of "how much more can I make an animal suffer for the lulz, and can we take pliers to it first?". Mostly, they are apathetic or unaware. (Disclosure: I have reduced meat a lot myself but am not entirely out yet and I keep giving myself B12 deficiency.)
I'd compare with much higher in the production chain, the people who devised and enforce inhumane practices.
But people are aware, they know meat is animals, they actively choose not to actually think about it and change their ways.
Even you who just said you know also admit you're still eating meat.
Humans can easily thrive without meat or any other animal products, that means consuming it is purely preference, preferring to hurt animals because you like the taste of their corpses instead of just eating plants is fucked up.
btw. you should definitely be taking a B12 supplement, the animals you eat are fed the supplement so when you stop eating meat you need to take the supplement yourself.
I am taking supplements, but I need to figure my shit out because I fuck up either on the B12 or iron, each time. My first "bad" B12 deficiency came with some nerve issues and I do not want a repeat of that, it doesn't entirely go away.
My goal is to entirely cut out meat, though. Right now, I don't buy it for home food, but if I'm out with friends or coworkers, I'll get whatever. It's iterative, and as more alternatives become available in public places, I'll get there.
That's how I started too, and now I'm a die hard vegan :)
If your goal is in that direction, don't get yourself down when you hit setbacks. I can thrive now, but when I was first beginning my journey I struggled a lot with eating out, especially abroad.
A setback doesn't mean you can't keep moving forward
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Imagine being such an unbelievable dumbarse that you think mindless torture is the same as natural carnivorous dietary habits.
Humans can easily thrive without meat or any other animal products, that means consuming it is purely preference, preferring to hurt animals because you like the taste of their corpses instead of just eating plants, is fucked up.
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For big slaughter houses etc it is the same. The animals there a tortured on a daily basis. I'm not saying all meat eaters are evil, there are small local farms where animals can live a good life. But the large scale industrial meat (and dairy) production is just this.
Unless the only reason you're enjoying your beef is because you enjoy thinking about how the animal was suffering to produce it, the two are not the same.
I'm not saying the meat industry isn't evil, but it's not torture for the sake of torture. They just don't give a shit and are only concerned about profits, which is messed up but not the same.
So it is better to kill, torture and abuse animals for profit than for fun?
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Even small local farms are still needlessly killing animals for profit/taste
You're calling someone an unbelievable dumbarse and then immediately using a logical fallacy, who's the dumbarse here?
An appeal to nature is a pathetic defense. It's natural to rape and murder too, but obviously we recognise that those are negative things that should be avoided. Why do you think needlessly killing an animal is any different?
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Humans aren't "naturally carnivorous"
What. The. Fuck.
Well, that's enough internet for today :(
this is a thread which is newsworthy, but unfortunately this is going to have to be the first thread we lock because it's:
- a magnet for people making violent threats that aren't really acceptable and kind of kill the vibe;
- a thread where half the comments are some ridiculous argument about veganism and whether eating meat is comparable to this;
- and a thread where just generally, the contributions have been the expected "that's awful!" but like. nothing else besides the ridiculous argument that isn't even really on topic. if you want to debate veganism and its merits or whether it's an apt comparison to circumstances like this, please just make a thread for that in Chat or something. i don't think this is asking too much.
Well that's enough internet for today. Geeze. So glad these people are being tracked down so they can be brought to justice.
Reminder that the animals people eat are also living and feeling beings who don't want to die for your burger.
While you are correct, this is taking away from the outrage about the hurt animals mentioned in this post.
Its rarely like: poor animals I've been eating all my life, I'll be vegan now.
It's more often like: good point, I shouldn't care about these animals neither.
You, hearing that someone is torturing monkeys: "ah yes that reminds me I should torture some monkeys"
???
I would still rather be killed and eaten than slowly tortured for weeks by someone making money off torture videos.
Neither needs to happen
A lot of things that happen in this world don't need to happen.
Wouldn't you rather just live and not be tortured?
It just frustrates me a little when discussion of a specific issue gets immediately derailed into discussion of another related issue.
Even now youtube has a ton of torture-adjacent videos about hurt or distressed baby monkeys, catering to the same group that the torture rings cater to.
Immediately ignoring that in favour of the usual vegan talking points feels suboptimal, to me. There's nothing actually wrong with paying specific attention to specific subjects sometimes.
I totally agree.
While there is an argument that eating meat is bad, we are talking about literally torturing animals without any purpose other than entertainment. This is a different level of awful.
Appearently it's never the right time to bring it up
Put it in a discussion community, ask them, try to brainstorm a new normal. This is news, of course people won't be very open to listen to ancillary discussion topics.
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Plants let out an ultrasonic scream when their leaves are cut or they don't get enough water
Most farmed plants are used as animal feed, eating plants directly uses much less.
So even if this nonsense argument had any validity veganism would still be the answer.
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