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It's cute how everyone is pretending there'll ever be another election if Trump gets back in. He'll feel spitted, and giving up the presidency a second time will literally feel like an existential issue for him.
For Trump leaving office will be the equivalent of feeling like he's dying, publically and shamefully.
Christianity emerged out of rumour and legend to grab the minds of fools and it transformed the world in very chaotic and destructive ways. Q Anon is setting up to out do Christianity. The numbers on Q's growth are terrifying.
Imagine all the illegal stuff a trump will need in office in order to refill his treasury. How much he would have to sell (secrets). Imagine.
It's bizarre the Republican base is so firmly behind Trump. A normal Republican would probably win given Biden's unpopularity, but the prospect of another Trump presidency is enough to get people to vote for anything with a D on it.
Eh. The entire republican party is rotted to the core. Everyone continuing to fall in line after Jan 6th demonstrated that beyond any doubt.
If you were to rewind the clock 20 years, and regular republican could probably beat Biden. But it's not just the president. It's the entire party. And I hope enough people would understand that enough to not vote a "normal" republican in.
But the fact that it seems close to half the voters in this country actually want blatant corruption, abuse of powers, and straight facism. It's mind blowing.
What's funny to me is how moderate Republicans have demonstrated they're willing to vote for a far right candidate. For leftists and progressives it just underscores how little moderates have bothered to compromise for decades.
hmmm, should i vote for an old guy who believes in democracy or should I vote for a useful idiot to the russians who hates minorites whether it be gender or sexual preference and whatnot and would hand ukraine over to putin in a silver platter, undermine nato any way possible for daddy putin and also crown himself king and end all further elections while imprisoning his enemies and all the other things he lied about and said were being done to him.....
damn, I can't really figure it out! I can't stop WaVeRiNg!!!!!!!
GODDAMN MORONS ARE GOING TO KILL US ALL, JESUS CHRIST
I understand the wavering. I voted uncommitted in my primary because Biden will win that without my help and it's a small way of officially filing my disappointment. But if (let's be honest, when) I get my presidential ballot and I have a choice between Trump and Biden and probably some third party, I'll hold my nose and cast a vote for Biden. As much as I hate it, it's not even a question.
this isn't working anymore. people are getting numb to the "boogeyman" technique
dems have to offer something people want, otherwise the right is going to take over
and i think it's too late by now
Boogymen aren't real. This is not that. And the Left never had that. Right wing terrorism boogymen fund wars.
Joe Biden had a disapproval rating of 55% before Oct 7th. He wasn't doing well before Israel's retaliation and he is doing worse now. I don't think its really all the fault of progressives protesting in a primary.
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-BIDEN/POLL/nmopagnqapa/
Maybe instead of always forcing us to vote for the lesser of two evils, the democrats should take a second, listen to their base, and actually run someone competent.
Because right now, there is zero difference between how the republicans would handle this genocide and how the democrats are handling it. Both parties are in the pockets of oil companies and billionaires, and don't want a change to the status quo.
Yes voting democrat is marginally better, but it's not as vast a chasm as people like to make out. The system itself is broken - fucking around in the system isn't going to fix it. It needs to be smashed and then rebuilt back up
I can't believe we've voted for the lesser of two evils for an entire generation, to the point that the lesser evil is a strike breaking, border wall building, senile octogenarian that's bypassing Congress to sell arms to a genocidal ethnostate, and liberals still can't come up with a better alternative.
I'm almost 38 now and I've pretty much never had a president to be excited for. In my previous ignorance I was excited for Obama and then quickly let down by the system that kill any progress.
I really don't know what I should have expected from a country that was completely built on greed. Everyone that started it to the people that moved here (immigrants want a better future = they(we, we're all children of immigrants) want more money = build businesses = greed. Everything about this country is about money money money. That's literally it.
America is the land of the fee, home of the billionaire.
"If you hate it so much why don't you leave!?" Oh my freindo I wish I could.
This whole "lesser evil" narrative is daft and it needs to stop.
If I had an army of bots and got paid to help GOP win the election I would make and upvote comments exactly like this one.
Biden is not the POTUS you "want" in a fairytale idealist kind of way. Deal with it.
The "both parties are just as bad as each other" angle only helps one side, and it ain't progressive.
A black guy was in my store recently saying he's voting for Trump. I asked him why, he literally hates your people, and his response left the most twisted look on my face: "get money".
Obviously, I had no response
Yeah, I was working with a black guy that had a maga hat. He eventually brought it up and I pointed that out. His reply? "He's right, I hate them too."
You work with Clarence Thomas?
Heh, no, just some dude that only lasted a couple weeks. It's a black owned charity, staffed with mainly black people. He wasn't fired on the spot, but he didn't return the following week. We all now call him The South side Uncle Ruckus. The worst part is he was there due to the work requirement of receiving welfare. A lot of his political bitching was about people sitting at home, leaching off the government, and how this is what has ruined the black community.
That's different, he's one of the good ones. He's just down on his luck and going through hard times, he's not a lazy freeloader just taking money on the government dole.
Those are two completely different situations, don't you know. One happens to him after all.
(I've literally heard the first part verbatim multiple times in conversations like that. Its mind blowing how close they get to understanding.)
It's funny, both haha and sad. The first time I heard the "one of the good ones" line was from my racist uncle about the black guy he worked with. As the years went on it became apparent every black person my uncle got to know, at all, was "one of the good ones". One time I told my uncle that every black person he ever really met turned out to be "a good one", so, like, maybe that's because he is wrong?
That wasn't the reason of course.
Good ole Uncle Ruckus. No relation.
This election is going to be a choice between getting shit smeared on your face or getting shit injected into your veins- you hate both options to the core, but only one is survivable.
Aside from this whole Israel/Genocide thing, Biden has been a pretty solid leader despite a completely dysfunctional congress.
No. Biden is like being made to eat your vegetables. They might not taste good but you have to do it.
Voting for Trump and Republicans is like eating shit for money. Everyone is going to be worse off, oh and only the people on top get paid for it. Everyone else is just screwed.
Mmmm, vegetables are good for you. Voting for Biden is not a total catastrophe, but he's not a strong leader or a great influence on the world. He's a functioning adult, and we badly need him to win, but let's not pretend that the progressives who don't love the guy are wishing we had cake and ice cream for dinner.
Don't taste good?
Given all Biden is doing for women with abortion and ivf, he’s getting kids breakfast and lunch money, he’s helping reduce college loan disasters, Medicare is going after pharmas that price gouge, he’s the first president ever to join union members on the picket line, I could go on.
It is not perfect and it isn't 5 Michelin star quality but it definitely tastes good.
How ever will someone choose between one candidate who is unacceptable and another who is acceptable. Tough one.
Hopefully this time Biden doesn't tell black people who won't vote for them they aren't black. That really didn't help him win them over last time.
Biden: If you don't vote Biden you ain't black. Black person: * doesn't vote * 🎉 White privilege obtained 🎉 Thanks ~~Obama~~ Biden
Doom and gloom on full blast today. I don't know if yall know but I lived through a Trump presidency. Nothing scares me anymore. All that fear has been replaced with annoyance.
But can you live through a Trump presidency where he can't run for a third term?
I lived through the presidency as well. Quite well, in fact, because the stock market did well, so my investments gained a lot in value, I'm also a cis-white male, so I never felt really directly threatened by his rhetoric.
My issue isn't with my own immediate preservation. I saw what he did: stack the court with far-right justices who immediately rolled back individual rights (most notably abortion). I've also seen his (and their) opinion on climate change, and with him controlling the oval office there is no hope anything will be done in the following 4 years. I also watched as he tried to dismantle the state because it didn't allow him to basically do whatever he wanted unopposed. Now he has 4 years of experience, and people thinking for another 4 years, on how to more effectively dismantle the whole thing. I also watched his blatant corruption and lies on full display. And, most importantly, I watched as he tried to overturn an election he lost in order to illegally hold onto power.
I'm not being doom and gloom, I honestly think that our country would survive another Trump presidency and at the end he would step down, either on his own or by force, but I'm not willing to take the risk as there is far too much at stake.
Biden is just not a good candidate. Swap him out. Pull some one off the back benches if you need to.
Only requirements are that they are breathing, and are eight years younger than normal retirement age, and they'll likely be doing better than Biden is rn.
Oh you mean all of those people on the back bench that Biden beat once already?
The people that, unlike Biden, have never beaten Trump in an election?
The people who aren't the incumbent president when history shows a very clear pattern of voters choosing to re-elect incumbents?
Two old pieces of shit way past their expiration date.
And we get to pick one!
Makes it really difficult to get up the enthusiasm to vote when it's all shit in some way or another, but it's important to remember that not all shits are created equal. I will without doubt pick the shit that is just old and shitty over the one that is old, shitty, and actively trying to destroy democracy in the US.