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The government's decree is a response to a long-standing complaint by the meat industry that terms like 'vegetarian ham' or 'vegan sausage' were confusing for consumers.

The French government issued a decree on Tuesday, February 27, banning the term "steak" on the label of vegetarian products, saying it was reserved for meat alone. Other terms that can no longer be used for meat-free products include "escalope," "ham," "filet" and "prime rib," according to the decree.

The ruling is a response to a long-standing complaint by the meat industry that terms like "vegetarian ham" or "vegan sausage" were confusing for consumers. It is based on a 2020 law whose application was temporarily suspended by the State Council in June 2022 after a complaint from Proteines France, a consortium of French companies selling plant-based food.

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[–] guy@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Much like the words "fake steak" or "not really steak" wouldn't confuse me into thinking it was really real steak, just because the word "steak" is in there, "vegan steak" doesn't either, because I'm not incredibly stupid

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

True, but most people are in my experience.

[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Just like with vegan cheese, vegan parmesan, vegan milk and so on. How am I supposed to look for substitutes when shopping online or in a supermarket?

Big fat L, France. Caved in to the meat industry, maybe next you can support Germany in keeping the gasoline cars on the roads for longer.

[–] PeroBasta@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean by

Keeping the gasoline cars on the roads for longer?> >

[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] PeroBasta@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Well, there are countries in EU where the annual income is like 20k gross. Electric cars, today, are still quite a luxury for many

[–] cali_ash@lemmy.wtf -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

How am I supposed to look for substitutes when shopping online or in a supermarket?

Just buy a block of tofum then you can cut out your own shapes!

[–] Floshie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 6 months ago

My dad's stupid argument won on the French government scale ugh

[–] skygirl@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

No one was confused. The meat industry just successfully lobbied for these word bans because it makes marketing of alternative products more difficult. They've been trying to get similar word bans in many countries for years because they think it will improve their bottom line.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And especially for generic things like sausages... what are they gonna call them, that's not extremely unappetising?

"Nutrient tubules"?

And that's gonna be less confusing...?

[–] skygirl@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Discouraging sales of alternative products is the point, they'd love that name haha

[–] CazzoBuco@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

🙄 - as a consumer, no, I was never confused

[–] gaael@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No one was ever confused. During this time, a shitty sausage brand puts out "vegetal sausages" made frome peas.... and eggs.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"Sausage" is different, in that it implies ground up food stuffed in a casing, but not necessarily meat. For example, consider some of the abominations this guy makes.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 1 points 6 months ago

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[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 9 points 6 months ago

I'm glad that was cleared up. Now how can I tell if my swordfish steak is made from beef or not? Also I need a lot of help with these beefsteak tomatoes.

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 5 points 6 months ago

I feel like it's news worthy to put a light on the unfathomable stupidity of our government.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Within lemmy we understand the term vegan ham or vegan steak would mean it isn't flesh based it's plant based, but outside of lemmy I can see confusion happening.

We keep arguing for truth in advertising and truth in labeling.

While I'm not sure how to label a vegan ham without saying ham. That doesn't mean there isn't another term. Let's try to find that other term and use that term.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 9 points 6 months ago

Where is the confusion?

[–] CazzoBuco@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

I'd argue "another term," is just more bs tactics by the meat conglomerates in an attempt to hurt the vegan market. Claiming people are dumb and can't read is not an excuse to pass these kinds of laws.

[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Easy. Mandate a massive green V on all vegan products. Now your shills aren't confused, and other consumers can happily decide if they want milk or a vegan alternative to milk, simply "V milk".

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So because I know older people that are more easily confused (which happens when you get older), that makes them shills?

[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

reading comprehension is a basic requirement for a functioning society. We can't design everything around "some old person might get confused by this".

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So because it's not a problem for you we shouldn't try to find a better way.

Good luck with that.

[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

not allowing to write on a product "this like a steak but vegan" is not a better way. It's specifically gatekeeping substitutes and slowing down their adoption.