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[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 221 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the "Fuck you, got mine" the Boomer Conservatives are so famous for.

[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 74 points 10 months ago (3 children)

AKA the "tree house ladder"-principe: when you are in it, pulling up the ladder so noone else can follow

[–] Shirasho@lemmings.world 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Aptly named because while they think they are living in the clouds the house sits on a rotting branch that is just waiting to snap under the weight.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Also they forget people can climb trees. And have saws.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Don't forget fire!

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[–] Jerkface@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Then Lindsay Graham puts out the sign that says

"No girlz allowed!"

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 9 points 10 months ago

I believe he has that tattooed on a body part.

Of course it is his hypocrisy and hatred of everyone else that makes him worthy of ridicule not his sexuality but that joke was just on a platter.

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[–] Xariphon@kbin.social 91 points 10 months ago

"Fuck you, got mine" is pretty much a cornerstone of their platform...

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 77 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

-- Frank Wilhoit

[–] thechadwick@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

"The King can do no wrong" bit also lays up really nicely with "The President must have absolute immunity". It's an insightful commentary all around.

https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progressives/#comment-729288

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Omfg that's spot on

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 58 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I feel like we're REALLY seeing the consequences of leaded gasoline on a generation or something...

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Have you ever thought about the crazy stupid things people did in the past? From using lead pipes in ancient Rome while knowing it was toxic, to blood letting, to witch trials? I used to think, "Man, we humans sure used to be stupid."

No. We still are and have always been collectively stupid. Now, the stupidest of us just have the same potential platform as the rest of us to reach out to the other stupid people via the internet.

That said, the leaded gasoline certainly did us no favours...

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[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 41 points 10 months ago

In this episode of Rules for Thee not Me...

[–] RustyEarthfire@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Headline is an outright lie. The article literally quotes her saying she supports IVF. The author speculates that a bill she is co-sponsoring (that does not mention IVF) may accidentally ban IVF (if it passes and Biden signs it).

Certainly you could denigrate her intelligence, performative politics, or the logical incoherence between her abortion and IVF positions. But you cannot say she wants to do something contrary to her actual explicitly stated desire.

[–] drmeanfeel@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

This is how it always happens, lip service doesn't mean anything. They will be QUOTED as being in support of "women's health and safety" and "emergency exceptions" all day long as they vote to overturn Roe and strip down exceptions to meaningless inactionable jargon

They're not going to say (I guess some of the house bombastic ones might) "I'm a Republican in support of preventing your wife from bearing children"

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[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Curiosity question, if we are saying embryos are children, would it not be illegal to buy and sell them?

[–] IMongoose@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can't wait for women to declare 300 dependents on their taxes.

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[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 29 points 10 months ago

That’s fine— just throw your tainted IVF kids in the trash to show your conviction.

THEN we’ll talk.

[–] SGG@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Of course this happens. The exact same bullshit happens with abortions as well, they just call the procedure something else (I forget what, basically sounded like cleaning out the lining?). When asked why they go "my case was a special case, it was the only legitimate abortion ever".

[–] BeardedSingleMalt@kbin.social 17 points 10 months ago

My case was special because I cheated on my husband and didn't want him to find out. But the 14 year old who was raped by her uncle and the pregnancy went ectopic and threatens the life of the underage mother...that should be illegal!!!!

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[–] comador@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So, another Sarah Palin...

[–] rob64@startrek.website 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I mean, what sane woman would be a Republican?

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 12 points 10 months ago

Just grifters. Like the rest of the party.

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[–] daikiki@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"Apres moi le deluge" might as well just be the GOP's official slogan at this point.

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[–] Dalvoron@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Can someone explain why this bill prevents IVF? So OK it says that the embryo in the petri dish or whatever is a human. Is the point that therefore other various laws apply to it and so it can't be implanted? Or is it other parts of the process are now forbidden like the freezing others have mentioned?

[–] Senshi@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago (2 children)

During IVF, you don't prepare a single embryo. You prepare dozens at once.

IVF is used when for whatever reason the natural process fails. This can be due to had sperm, bad eggs, trouble with the path to the womb, hormonal imbalances, and a large number of illnesses that fuck up this delicate process. So IVF has to fight a steep uphill battle, and you want multiple fighters in the ring to increase the odds. Why do it all at once and not over after the other? Extraction of the eggs requires intense, weeks to months of hormonal therapy. The extraction is also a surgical procedure, requiring a surgeon to access the ovaries. This is painful and has health risks, you don't want to this every week. Less time and less procedures also help reduce costs. IVF is expensive, quickly costing many thousands of dollars. Last but not least, IVF is an intensely stress- and painful time for the couple on a psychological level alone. Every failed attempt weighs heavy, every miscarriage is a huge loss. Those emotions should not be toyed with and it's clearly ethical to follow the medical process with the highest success chance and least suffering.

Explaining the process: You extract many eggs and fertilize them with sperm at once. Then you wait for them to do their first couple cell divisions, usually until they are a count of 4, 8 or 16 cells, varies by nation and its laws. The more splits, the easier to qualify the health and success chance of the embryo.

Even during this early stage, multiple of the embryos typically fail to divide properly and are then discarded.

Then, the most vital and hopeful embryos are selected and implanted during another surgical procedure directly into the womb. Again, always multiple. This is because some embryos will die during the process, others will not attach. In the end, you only need one embryo to attach and get supplied by the womb, then you're on track to getting pregnant.

All the other good candidates are frozen, so you have them ready for possible future implantation attempts. It's common that the attachment process doesn't work at first try.

Once your pregnancy is carried out (miscarriage is always a big risk up until the end during IVF) and you are certain you don't want more kids, the rest of the frozen embryos are discarded.

With this new interpretation of the law, doctors and lab techs would be mass murderers.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If the embryos are people, just ask them if they don't mind being thrown out. If they say nothing, then it's fine.

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[–] Dalvoron@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

All makes perfect sense, thanks for explaining!

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[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

IVF isn't always successful. Nobody is going to perform it if an expected failure is going to result in a murder charge.

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[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Take the kids back

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