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AKA the "tree house ladder"-principe: when you are in it, pulling up the ladder so noone else can follow

"The King can do no wrong" bit also lays up really nicely with "The President must have absolute immunity". It's an insightful commentary all around.

https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progressives/#comment-729288

Omfg that's spot on

Have you ever thought about the crazy stupid things people did in the past? From using lead pipes in ancient Rome while knowing it was toxic, to blood letting, to witch trials? I used to think, "Man, we humans sure used to be stupid."

No. We still are and have always been collectively stupid. Now, the stupidest of us just have the same potential platform as the rest of us to reach out to the other stupid people via the internet.

That said, the leaded gasoline certainly did us no favours...

You see, your first mistake was expecting a logically-consistent platform from conservatives.

They don’t give a shit about children, or birth. They think that women who have sex for fun deserve punishment, and that childbirth is just punishment for “immoral” sexual behavior.

they only want unwanted children, daaa!

I'm a little out of the loop, but I'd guess they're trying to build precedent such that if an IVF embryo has 'fetal rights' or whatever they term it, then the same will apply to pregnancy at the earliest stages. And they can say: No abortions 1 day after pregnancy or something like that.

The attack on reproductive rights is unconscionable

IVF allows doctors to test embryos for genetic abnormalities, then implant only the ones that are healthy.

The Goidels were on track to freeze embryos later this month, and they planned to only store the ones that were genetically normal.

But on Friday, the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos created through IVF are considered children under state law, meaning that people could theoretically be sued for destroying an embryo.

Because their idea of abortion is so fucking inanely stupid they think this counts. I mean, not for rich people or Republicans. That's why the DA Steve Marshall said he wouldn't prosecute IVF families. Which has no legal weight behind it at all so he can feel free to prosecute anyone who can't defend themselves, which is 99%.

Control. It's about nothing more than control.

This particular person is doing the general Republican thing where they say they support something but their actions make the thing impossible to do. Like treating IVF in a way that makes hospitals cancel IVF services because of the threat of legal action when it doesn't go perfectly.

Alabama supreme court recently ruled that any IVF embryos are actual human beings. That means if you use IVF and dispose of embryos you are a murderer. Since it's almost impossible to do IVF with no 'lost' embryos they just want to ban it for everyone.

Also, some religious folks were already against it because it involves men ejcaculating into cups, and that's against the Bible.

They think the embryos used for IVF are the equivalent to children birthed from the womb and therefore it's child abuse. Mind you, these are the same morons who are pushing to remove any recreation from sex. Their goal is for sex to be only for procreation. They're actively trying to push us into their weird world of having sex through a hole in a bedsheet only for the purpose of bearing children. They want to outlaw all forms of contraceptives. Hell, Maggy Taylor Greene wants to push legislation so that women stop tempting Christian men. We're regressing as a country

Many think that artificial insemination is "subverting God's will". If they were meant to have kids, they could do it naturally. It's the same line of thinking that they didn't need a vaccine and could just pray their way to COVID immunity.

This is how it always happens, lip service doesn't mean anything. They will be QUOTED as being in support of "women's health and safety" and "emergency exceptions" all day long as they vote to overturn Roe and strip down exceptions to meaningless inactionable jargon

They're not going to say (I guess some of the house bombastic ones might) "I'm a Republican in support of preventing your wife from bearing children"

Can't wait for women to declare 300 dependents on their taxes.

My case was special because I cheated on my husband and didn't want him to find out. But the 14 year old who was raped by her uncle and the pregnancy went ectopic and threatens the life of the underage mother...that should be illegal!!!!

I mean, what sane woman would be a Republican?

During IVF, you don't prepare a single embryo. You prepare dozens at once.

IVF is used when for whatever reason the natural process fails. This can be due to had sperm, bad eggs, trouble with the path to the womb, hormonal imbalances, and a large number of illnesses that fuck up this delicate process. So IVF has to fight a steep uphill battle, and you want multiple fighters in the ring to increase the odds. Why do it all at once and not over after the other? Extraction of the eggs requires intense, weeks to months of hormonal therapy. The extraction is also a surgical procedure, requiring a surgeon to access the ovaries. This is painful and has health risks, you don't want to this every week. Less time and less procedures also help reduce costs. IVF is expensive, quickly costing many thousands of dollars. Last but not least, IVF is an intensely stress- and painful time for the couple on a psychological level alone. Every failed attempt weighs heavy, every miscarriage is a huge loss. Those emotions should not be toyed with and it's clearly ethical to follow the medical process with the highest success chance and least suffering.

Explaining the process: You extract many eggs and fertilize them with sperm at once. Then you wait for them to do their first couple cell divisions, usually until they are a count of 4, 8 or 16 cells, varies by nation and its laws. The more splits, the easier to qualify the health and success chance of the embryo.

Even during this early stage, multiple of the embryos typically fail to divide properly and are then discarded.

Then, the most vital and hopeful embryos are selected and implanted during another surgical procedure directly into the womb. Again, always multiple. This is because some embryos will die during the process, others will not attach. In the end, you only need one embryo to attach and get supplied by the womb, then you're on track to getting pregnant.

All the other good candidates are frozen, so you have them ready for possible future implantation attempts. It's common that the attachment process doesn't work at first try.

Once your pregnancy is carried out (miscarriage is always a big risk up until the end during IVF) and you are certain you don't want more kids, the rest of the frozen embryos are discarded.

With this new interpretation of the law, doctors and lab techs would be mass murderers.

IVF isn't always successful. Nobody is going to perform it if an expected failure is going to result in a murder charge.