this post was submitted on 22 Feb 2024

130 points (83.5% liked)

News

23261 readers

4342 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil

Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.

2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.

Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.

3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.

Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.

4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.

Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.

5. Only recent news is allowed.

Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.

6. All posts must be news articles.

No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.

7. No duplicate posts.

If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.

8. Misinformation is prohibited.

Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.

9. No link shorteners.

The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.

10. Don't copy entire article in your post body

For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

rjc@lemmy.world

Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world

dezmd@lemmy.world

Tenthrow@lemmy.world

JonsJava@lemmy.world

gedaliyah@lemmy.world

Blackbeard@lemmy.world

little_cow@lemmy.world

jeffw@lemmy.world

enu@lemmy.world

130

Biden considering executive action to close southern border, sources say (www.cnn.com)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by queermunist@lemmy.ml to c/news@lemmy.world

200 comments fedilink hide all child comments

And you all told me the blue maga border bill that Republicans rejected was 4d chess.

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] rynzcycle@kbin.social 63 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I won't rehash my opinions, they already been better said here, but I want to add I hate the phrase "close the border". What the fuck does that mean, was it open, did the last one in forget to close the door?

From the article, he is considering taking action "to restrict migrants’ ability to seek asylum at the US-Mexico border if they crossed illegally" which has a lot more nuance and is important to the discussion. So this will specifically affect people who have a legitimate claim to asylum, the border was never "open" to any migrants without it (or a visa).

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 30 points 8 months ago (4 children)

"Close the border" is ridiculous rhetoric which appeals to far too many of the electorate. Unfortunately, we need to change opinions on the ground before it's no longer viable to use.

[–] rynzcycle@kbin.social 19 points 8 months ago

I think that's why framing the debate is so important.

This isn't magically closing the border, this is just adding a new punishment for a small subset of people who cross illegally. Whether or not it will be effective is very debatable (if barbed wire doesn't...)
We should be talking more about the backlog in asylum cases, why aren't we providing adequate funding for the courts to do their job.
Why do we make asylum seekers wait so long to seek asylum and get authorization to work, how does this do anything but place a burden on support systems?

And so on. This isn't about stopping immigration, it's about punishing those who do. [Too] Many will still support that, but it's a harder stance to take.

load more comments (3 replies)

[–] Hello_there@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago

Law states that legality of crossing has no effect on validity of asylum cases. I guess we're ok with doing whatever we want to cater to a republican base that won't vote for a dem.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Why though? It's been proven and shown with many many video recordings that the so-called "border crisis" is completely made up. Yes, there are a lot of people at the border seeking asylum, but it's not a horde of people a la World War Z forming a human tidal wave crashing over the Rio Grande.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Because it removes a republican talking point. They're literally playing politics.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (10 children)

The GOP has cried wolf so loudly and for so long that now no one believes them.

The US-Mexico border is 1,951 miles long. You can't capture the issue with a video or photograph.

And no, it is not made up. See for yourself. Border encounters spiked hard, but dropped just as hard for January. No idea what's going on there.

In any case, look at the yearly numbers for a better picture. For 2024 we'll easily top 1-million extra migrants over 2021's numbers. Yeah, we got a problem.

How are we to employ and house 3+ million souls? And that's just for 2024. This will require a new major city worth of infrastructure, every year. Don't we bitch about rent pricing around here? Hold onto your butts.

And go tell Denver it's all made up. Dare ya.

https://www.denverpost.com/2024/02/21/denver-budget-cuts-migrant-crisis-recreation-center-hours/

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/02/21/overwhelmed-by-new-arrivals-denver-residents-organize-to-welcome-migrant-populations-decently_6546726_4.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/us/denver-colorado-migrants.html

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Since many migrants often work construction etc. Perhaps they could be employed to build it. Just a rational stab in the dark here.

And yes we bitch about rent etc. The key thing to understand, is that rent doesn't really have a reason to cost as much as it does. The actual cost of upkeep etc for the buildings and property etc is a fraction of the rent. We've as a society demonized public housing, and largely refused to let any new be built. Or take care of the few that have properly. Because "reasons".

load more comments (9 replies)

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 4 points 8 months ago

Perhaps the problem is the word crisis. If you reframe the conversation to say "there are increasing numbers of people attempting to cross the southern border", the stats are pretty plain: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/nationwide-encounters

I don't know if this counts as a CRISIS!!! but it's extremely easy to establish more and more people are crossing the border.

[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is clearly an attempt to get elected instead of the orange catastrophe.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (14 children)

Well, let's hope it works.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Democrats moving to the right to try and get republican votes isn't a great strategy. But they'll get to blame the left if they lose, and keep moving to the right if they win. Billionaire donors stay winning.

load more comments (1 replies)

load more comments (13 replies)

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Im sure the democrats will stand up against this like they did when Trump did it. Lol what a joke.

[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That'll bring San Diego to a halt. Nobody can afford to live in San Diego.

load more comments (1 replies)

[–] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

In my humble POV I believe closing the border with the #1 business partner of the US isn't a good idea.

load more comments (4 replies)

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago (11 children)

"Biden considers vague unspecified action on a subject that over 70% of the American electorate considers a problem, clearly Both Sides are Just As Bad"

load more comments (11 replies)

load more comments