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My wife's phone dies every. single. day. and I don't know why she doesn't just charge it at night.

I'm just wondering how people live like this ๐Ÿ˜…

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[โ€“] tmpod 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I used to never charge my phone at night, because of my battery health pedantry. I the found the AccA app which enables me to limit the maximum charging, so now I sometimes leave it changing during the night.

[โ€“] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If you're still convinced you need to run your battery down to zero you're operating on outdated knowledge of NiCad batteries and ruining your lithium ion batteries.

My Android phone has a built in functionality to charge so that it hits 100% when your alarm is rigged to go off. Idk about iphone though.

[โ€“] tmpod 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was not talking about running the battery down to 0, that's no good for li-ion batteries either. I was talking about the exact, opposite, reaching 100% and staying there for hours on end (which happens during the night). With AccA I can set an upper limit.

[โ€“] Nugget_in_biscuit@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Hi Tmpod! This is actually a common misconception among the general device-using public!

You are absolutely correct that a lithium battery will degrade if you maintain a state of charge (โ€œSOCโ€) for long periods of time that is either above 90% or below 10%. Of course, phone manufacturers know this too, and they have set the charging software to block off the top of the pack, which allows the user to safely leave their phone on the charger indefinitely.

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[โ€“] Ataraxia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I use Samsung built in feature to limit to 85% and I'm so glad they implemented it because I was about to either try to look for an app again or stop charging at night...

[โ€“] Dekkia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I charge it during the day at work.

Boss makes a dollar I make a dime...

[โ€“] janonymous@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

... that's why I charge on company time

[โ€“] synapse1278@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because I try to charge my phone when I am in the office, as much as possible. There are no small savings in my book :D

[โ€“] pingveno@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Not necessarily. Many phones will charge more slowly during the night if you set a morning alarm. You could be wearing down you battery when you charge at work.

[โ€“] BrownNote@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Some people just don't give a f*ck, even when they complain about it all the time...

[โ€“] kcvis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I wfh and charge during work

[โ€“] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's actually a safety factor there. When Li-Ion (lithium-ion) batteries fail and suffer thermal runaway (fire), it's most commonly during charging. It's rare, but it does still happen. The rule is to avoid charging Li-Ion powered devices unattended. I do that at times myself, but I realize the risk and actually put things in a "charging pot" if unattended.

You don't need anything fancy to use as a charging pot, a ceramic casserole dish will do. If you're going to charge while asleep or out of the house it's not a bad idea to use some kind of containment.

[โ€“] Brad@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't know about that, now I'm scared.

[โ€“] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Don't be scared, it's actually a pretty rare occurrence. Just be aware it can happen. Same thing with driving, accidents are rare, but wear your seatbelt.

[โ€“] BrownNote@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Bringing back chamber pots one person at a time

[โ€“] HouseWolf@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I work a desk job with an outlet right there, The nearest outlet to my bed is on the other side of the room and I ain't ain't getting out of bed for my 3am memes.

[โ€“] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

You just described my entire life. We're probably best friends now.

[โ€“] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fire hazard.

I charge it at work while I'm (mostly) conscious. xD

[โ€“] coffeekomrade@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read to fall asleep, so my phone usually stays with me in bed. Pro-Tip, if she has an iPhone, set the Sleep focus to turn on at a specific time and enable low power mode.

[โ€“] zettajon@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

For many years I always did this for my own android phone in Tasker, and more recently Samsung Modes&Routines, but thank you for this as I just realized I never did the same for my wife's iPhone

[โ€“] gamebuster@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I don't want an exploding phone in my bedroom. I charge it at my desk while working

[โ€“] moosetwin@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I'm worried there'll be an electrical fault and it'll start a fire.

[โ€“] Dirk@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I charge my phone at work ...

[โ€“] dwindling7373@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know you married one, ask her and let us know?

Oh I have, I've heard every excuse haha, mostly just that she doesn't think of it? Seems weird to me

[โ€“] danie10@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We are the same, I put my phone and charge (set to stop charging at 85%) overnight, my wife does not, and then her phone dies at odd times like when she is out shopping. I suppose it is about having a scheduled routine or not. I have alarms set for 10:30 every evening to check if a charge is needed for my watch that day. Some people just don't like the routine and prefer to live a bit more on the edge.

[โ€“] jbd@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I set the charging limit to 75% using Battery Charge Limit and use a magnetic charging cable.

[โ€“] DrFuggles@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Same thing with my girlfriend. I even got a charger and a cable just for her exclusive use but she keeps unplugging my phone because "it has more charge than mine". Which, fair, but like??? It didn't have to be this way??

[โ€“] memphis@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Keeping Lithium-ion batteries at 100% charge will reduce their lifespan. They want to live in the 40-80% range. I use an app that notifies me when my phone has charged to 80%, so that I can unplug it. It may be overkill, but I plan to use this phone for 9 more years or so.

[โ€“] GlenTheFrog@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

9 more years?? I've gotten almost 6 years out of my Oneplus 5T and I've been ecstatic about it. It's literally lasted 3 times longer than any phone I've had before it

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[โ€“] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

They want to live in the 40-80% range.

Yes, that's correct but with some extra consideration. There's two kinds of wear for Li-Ion batteries, shelf life and cycle life. To maximize shelf life you want to store at 40% to %50% charge in a cool environment. To maximize cycle life you want to avoid charging and discharging fully.

There's two curves where cycle life and shelf life cross for maximum longevity. For example if you shut off your Li-Ion powered device or remove the battery for long periods, shelf life becomes more significant. Storing at 40% charge in a cool environment will maximize battery life. If you discharge frequently, then keeping the charge cycle shallow will maximize longevity since that's going to be most significant.

Honestly it's complicated to deal with and squeezing all the life you can out of a battery is typically not worth the trouble. Though it's definitely nice when chargers give you options, most don't.

In general Li-Ion batteries are highly desirable for their top tier energy density and that's why they're so ubiquitous, but the wear and safety considerations are big disadvantages. The holy grail of battery technology is to eliminate those issues.

[โ€“] RomanRoy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Me too. Samsung has a feature to "protect battery life", so it only charges until 85%. You can keep it on power, but it won't surpass 85%.

[โ€“] exododo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sometimes I fall sleep while scrolling or watching something in bed, so no overnight charge

[โ€“] BrownNote@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

No good for your health my guy

[โ€“] Fake4000@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

One of my phone's puffed up while being on the charger at night. Woke up next to a spicy pillow.

I work from home on a desk job. I charge my phone once a day so now I do it at 4pm everyday and follow that cycle.

[โ€“] wakamo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It doesn't matter when you got a fast-charge phone.

[โ€“] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Fast charging decreases the lifetime of your battery compared to traditional charging. It's not a huge difference anymore (maybe 3% or something), but traditional charging isn't that inconvenient considering you're not using your phone while you sleep, anyway.

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[โ€“] Racchio@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I just turn it off, and it generally need to recharge in the next day afternoon.

[โ€“] Fallstar@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Because I can charge it in my car, at my desk in the office or with my battery pack when I am out.

[โ€“] Steinsprut@szmer.info 1 points 1 year ago

I have a wireless charger on my desk, pretty much almost every day I already have 100% when going to bed

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